May 15, 2014, 8:16 am
Last edit by: StartinSanDiego
This thread is now archived. Please follow the topic here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1986148-chase-closed-my-credit-card-account-s-tales-speculation-2019-thread.html
If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:
CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html
On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.
Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:
001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:
CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
- Did you transfer UR points to someone with a different address? Different last name?
- Did you sell UR points to someone?
- Approximately what percentage of your charges earned less than 5x points in the past 12 months?
- Did a Chase or non-Chase bank recently close one of your credit cards?
- Are you using up a large percentage of your credit line on all Chase and non-Chase credit cards?
- Is your total credit line with Chase much higher than with other banks?
- Did you apply for many credit cards or other forms of credit in the past 2 months? ("Many" may be hard to define.)
- If you have a Chase checking account how much did you typically deposit in money orders per month, if any?
- Did you recently start spending a lot more with Chase than in typical months?
- Is your monthly balance frequently close to your credit limit?
- Approximately what percentage of spending was on gift cards this year?
- How much of your bill do you typically pay using WM or KMart bill payment if any?
- Do you have a Chase mortgage or other account that might be profitable to Chase?
- Has your credit score or credit profile changed recently? As in: significantly more debt, more open credit lines, or a large drop in your credit score?
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html
On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.
Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:
001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
Chase closed my credit card account(s) [Archived 2013-mid 2019]
Jan 17, 2018, 2:00 pm
#1727
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 615
So, just getting up to speed on this thread.
As a person who does have a long credit history with chase (10 years) and just got 3 biz and 5 personal cards this past year, I'm starting to wonder if I need to tread carefully.
But, I don't MS, no MOs, no BP, excellent credit, excellent income, solid/long credit file, etc. I'm not super worried but I do plan on leveraging my CIC 5X bonus categories by buying store GCs this year. I definitely won't reach my $25k 5x cap on the CIC but I'm wondering if I am in danger of being shut down even if I "only" leverage the 5x to $20k, for example and no other shenanigans (no MS, etc.)? Thoughts?
As a person who does have a long credit history with chase (10 years) and just got 3 biz and 5 personal cards this past year, I'm starting to wonder if I need to tread carefully.
But, I don't MS, no MOs, no BP, excellent credit, excellent income, solid/long credit file, etc. I'm not super worried but I do plan on leveraging my CIC 5X bonus categories by buying store GCs this year. I definitely won't reach my $25k 5x cap on the CIC but I'm wondering if I am in danger of being shut down even if I "only" leverage the 5x to $20k, for example and no other shenanigans (no MS, etc.)? Thoughts?
Jan 17, 2018, 4:04 pm
#1728
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: ZOA, SFO, HKG
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Jan 17, 2018, 6:33 pm
#1729
Join Date: Sep 2009
Programs: Far too many
Posts: 315
Best practices for handling the "review"
What are flyertalkers' "best practices" when their accounts are closed?
1. Do you contact Chase?
2. Do you move your URs? When?
3. Do you refrain from applying for CC from other issuers during the review?
4. Do you minimize spend on other CC accounts during the review?
What are your other reccomendations?
1. Do you contact Chase?
2. Do you move your URs? When?
3. Do you refrain from applying for CC from other issuers during the review?
4. Do you minimize spend on other CC accounts during the review?
What are your other reccomendations?
Last edited by travel light; Jan 17, 2018 at 6:57 pm Reason: Add question
Jan 17, 2018, 9:41 pm
#1730
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3
If you are worried your large balance of UR points might be confiscated
Earn and burn would be the best strategy, although not everyone has all the time in the world to use the points. When I suddenly increased the MS on my Ink card, like exmike I transferred about 240k to United only to have them devalued a week later. I'm now compelled to go on a vacation at a less-than-ideal time.
Jan 17, 2018, 10:12 pm
#1731
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: IAH
Programs: DL DM, Hyatt Ist-iest, Stariott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 12,781
But, I don't MS, no MOs, no BP, excellent credit, excellent income, solid/long credit file, etc. I'm not super worried but I do plan on leveraging my CIC 5X bonus categories by buying store GCs this year. I definitely won't reach my $25k 5x cap on the CIC but I'm wondering if I am in danger of being shut down even if I "only" leverage the 5x to $20k, for example and no other shenanigans (no MS, etc.)? Thoughts?
Chase knows the 5x is a loss leader, which is why it's capped at a certain amount. As long as you're staying below that and aren't doing anything shady (anon bill pays, MOs, etc) I highly doubt you'll wind up on their shutdown radar.
Jan 17, 2018, 11:11 pm
#1733
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: ZOA, SFO, HKG
Programs: UA 1K 0.9MM, Marriott Gold, HHonors Gold, Hertz PC, SBux Gold, TSA Pre✓
Posts: 13,811
While it is true that some accounts have been closed incorrectly, most account closures will remain. How you fight against the closure highly depends on the exact reason of closure.
Jan 19, 2018, 12:41 pm
#1735
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 48
Thanks to all for the DPs and info in this thread. I'm hoping to apply for the CIP this year (paper app method) and would love to hear any feedback on my shutdown risk (to the extent that the risk can even be assessed). Factors:
- I have a Chase business checking account, opened 6 months ago
- I have 1 Chase biz card already (Ink Cash, opened 3 years ago) and 4 personal cards (CSR, IHG, Hyatt, and Freedom, all opened in 2015/2016)
- I come close to maxing out 5x on the Ink Cash and I take advantage of promos here and there, but no heavy MS
- Currently over 20/24 and opening about one new account per month (mainly Citi AA).
I've heard about shutdown being triggered by new Hyatt and IHG cards, but haven't seen any DPs concerning business cards. Thoughts?
- I have a Chase business checking account, opened 6 months ago
- I have 1 Chase biz card already (Ink Cash, opened 3 years ago) and 4 personal cards (CSR, IHG, Hyatt, and Freedom, all opened in 2015/2016)
- I come close to maxing out 5x on the Ink Cash and I take advantage of promos here and there, but no heavy MS
- Currently over 20/24 and opening about one new account per month (mainly Citi AA).
I've heard about shutdown being triggered by new Hyatt and IHG cards, but haven't seen any DPs concerning business cards. Thoughts?
Last edited by incaroads; Jan 19, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Jan 19, 2018, 2:30 pm
#1736
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However, the trick is we don't know how Chase defines "too much".
The only thing I can say is be careful if you plan to use the GCs over time.
Jan 19, 2018, 3:23 pm
#1737
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,878
I've never had an issue with store GC with Chase (or any other institution) but I stay within reasonable credit utilization, and within reasonable amounts with respect to my income.
Jan 22, 2018, 8:31 am
#1738
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 615
As to your first question, does Chase look at type of GC (store vs VGC)?
Jan 22, 2018, 9:27 am
#1739
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
Thanks to all for the DPs and info in this thread. I'm hoping to apply for the CIP this year (paper app method) and would love to hear any feedback on my shutdown risk (to the extent that the risk can even be assessed). Factors:
- I have a Chase business checking account, opened 6 months ago
- I have 1 Chase biz card already (Ink Cash, opened 3 years ago) and 4 personal cards (CSR, IHG, Hyatt, and Freedom, all opened in 2015/2016)
- I come close to maxing out 5x on the Ink Cash and I take advantage of promos here and there, but no heavy MS
- Currently over 20/24 and opening about one new account per month (mainly Citi AA).
I've heard about shutdown being triggered by new Hyatt and IHG cards, but haven't seen any DPs concerning business cards. Thoughts?
- I have a Chase business checking account, opened 6 months ago
- I have 1 Chase biz card already (Ink Cash, opened 3 years ago) and 4 personal cards (CSR, IHG, Hyatt, and Freedom, all opened in 2015/2016)
- I come close to maxing out 5x on the Ink Cash and I take advantage of promos here and there, but no heavy MS
- Currently over 20/24 and opening about one new account per month (mainly Citi AA).
I've heard about shutdown being triggered by new Hyatt and IHG cards, but haven't seen any DPs concerning business cards. Thoughts?
It has nothing to do with Hyatt and IHG cards other than these 2 cards do not subj to 5/24. People who are over 5/24 and then went hoggish on other banks cards, to the point of becoming lol/24, (like in your case) and then applied these 2 most easy to get approved cards from Chase - when Chase does an account review which is very regularly these days, they see how many new cards have been opened in a short span and account shut down followed.
With your 20/24 even your Chase apps were all in 2015/2016, chances are even if you have a branch preapproval your application might not work. Or worse, you then draw scrutiny on your new card application history, then the axe falls.
Enjoy your Citi gravy train until it ends then give a good 9 to 12 months rest before attempting ANY Chase card would be a prudent approach.
Jan 29, 2018, 11:15 pm
#1740
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: CA
Posts: 1,302
I been getting many invitations to open Chase biz checking account. I finally bit.went into the branch and opened a biz checking account for 30K UR. Made the transfer for the acct opening deposit, Everything went smoothly.
As of this afternoon, i got a call from chase 800-935-9935. no one spoke when i picked up. i tried to login to my biz login tonight and was told online access was locked. i tried calling and was told that i needed to talk to loss prevention. i have not had any activity since i opened my account Saturday. No problems using my Ink card (just tried charging tonight.) I don't have issues logging into my personal accounts. I dont do any funny transfers to third parties. been at least 6mo since my last UR transfer.
i even had pretargted offers to open CSP (60k bonus) and Chase cash ink ($300?) i forgot.
i do have multiple chase cards and checking and savings accounts. and a 1M UR balance, via 2 Ink cards. did not join in on the CSR fun. been a while since i opened a chase card and at least 6mo since my last new cc app.
concerned they are getting me for the office supply spend at staples ($50K x2 each year for the last few years)
I wont be able to call them til they open up in the morning.
Am i F'd?!
Last edited by kaiotes; Jan 29, 2018 at 11:29 pm
