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This thread is now archived. Please follow the topic here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1986148-chase-closed-my-credit-card-account-s-tales-speculation-2019-thread.html
If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:
CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html
On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.
Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:
001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:
CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
- Did you transfer UR points to someone with a different address? Different last name?
- Did you sell UR points to someone?
- Approximately what percentage of your charges earned less than 5x points in the past 12 months?
- Did a Chase or non-Chase bank recently close one of your credit cards?
- Are you using up a large percentage of your credit line on all Chase and non-Chase credit cards?
- Is your total credit line with Chase much higher than with other banks?
- Did you apply for many credit cards or other forms of credit in the past 2 months? ("Many" may be hard to define.)
- If you have a Chase checking account how much did you typically deposit in money orders per month, if any?
- Did you recently start spending a lot more with Chase than in typical months?
- Is your monthly balance frequently close to your credit limit?
- Approximately what percentage of spending was on gift cards this year?
- How much of your bill do you typically pay using WM or KMart bill payment if any?
- Do you have a Chase mortgage or other account that might be profitable to Chase?
- Has your credit score or credit profile changed recently? As in: significantly more debt, more open credit lines, or a large drop in your credit score?
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html
On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.
Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:
001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
Chase closed my credit card account(s) [Archived 2013-mid 2019]
#61
Join Date: Dec 2009
Programs: DL PM, Hyatt Plat, SPG Gold
Posts: 1,082
I had a 780 fico prior to this mess. Hopefully this doesn't kill my score. I guess I will know in a month when the statements cycle again. I do have cards with amex barclays boa and citi and zero credit debt so this shouldn't impact my credit utilization whatsoever. I am justt concerned about what a forces closure will do?
I admit I spent very little collected sign up bonuses and not much else. However I bought he jpm gift cards 1 time and they never complained. The only spending that might have bugged them was 2 purchases of 1000 apiece. At cvs two weeks apart. It's like being punched in the gut. It's pretty low of them to confiscate points that were earned but even worse to do this without any notice on a day I was traveling united. I just so happened to have a citi credit card on me but had I not I would have been royally screwed on this trip. They should at least give a courtesy phone call or email advising of the situation.
I admit I spent very little collected sign up bonuses and not much else. However I bought he jpm gift cards 1 time and they never complained. The only spending that might have bugged them was 2 purchases of 1000 apiece. At cvs two weeks apart. It's like being punched in the gut. It's pretty low of them to confiscate points that were earned but even worse to do this without any notice on a day I was traveling united. I just so happened to have a citi credit card on me but had I not I would have been royally screwed on this trip. They should at least give a courtesy phone call or email advising of the situation.
#62
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: DFW
Posts: 246
There's gotta be another factor.
People in the MS forums spend 5 figures at CVS and etc on GCs and VRs and they're fine.
People in the MS forums spend 5 figures at CVS and etc on GCs and VRs and they're fine.
#64
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 113
Wellll I do know someone shutdown by chase over VR's... But I think it may have been more than five figures per month lol
I've heard everything and this person blew my mind.
But I'm sure it's such a tiny percentage of the customer base that even significant MS flies off the radar.
I've heard everything and this person blew my mind.
But I'm sure it's such a tiny percentage of the customer base that even significant MS flies off the radar.
#65
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 140
No as stated on chase only did 2500 1 time to earn a bonus on southwest and it was split on a few transaction. My mfg spending is 99 percent on a citi preferred 5x promo.
#66
Join Date: May 2003
Location: CA
Programs: AA Lifetime Gold, HHonors Diamond
Posts: 2,879
Lesson learned. If you are doing MS, make sure you have other spending to show actual use of the cards.
#67
Suspended
Join Date: May 2012
Location: ORD
Programs: AA, UA, AS, DL, BA, F9, IHG Plat, HH Gold, CC Gold, SPG Gold, MR Silver
Posts: 1,786
I always put many other small transactions on each of my ms spend cards...I think you are asking for big trouble if not. It at least sorta hides what you're doing to some extent
#68
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 140
Several Conversations with clueless CSR reps, I finally spoke to someone in executive offices. We will see what happens.
#69
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 140
Spoke with executive offices today. Not offered any explanation. Was told this was not for perk abuse, but rather for unexpected spending. Reading between the lines it sounds like it was because I had several accounts, with very little spending on them. They will not return my annual fees even though I only have 4-6 months of use of the cards. They said they are entitled to keep them. They are not returning my points.
I have am considering legal action against Chase here. If anyone else has filed suits against Chase, please PM me as I would love to know what has happened.
My advice to all- Do NOT let UR points accumulate in your account. Find a travel partner and transfer them immediately or you could be next.
I have am considering legal action against Chase here. If anyone else has filed suits against Chase, please PM me as I would love to know what has happened.
My advice to all- Do NOT let UR points accumulate in your account. Find a travel partner and transfer them immediately or you could be next.
#70
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
Would be shocked if a travel partner didn't cancel miles / points transfed in from a CC partner, if notified by the CC partner.
Just part of an overall tightening which will continue.
Just part of an overall tightening which will continue.
#71
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NYC suburbs
Programs: UA LT Gold (BIS), AA LT Plat (CC SUBs & BD), Hilton Dia (CC), Hyatt Glob (BIB), et. al.
Posts: 3,227
This goes against all conventional wisdom. Certainly miles/points transferred to a travel partner 10 years prior to CC account closure would be safe. Given the case of annual 50,000 transfers, all earned through spending, and then CC account closure and blacklisting, how long after such a transfer would you be shocked if a travel partner didn't cancel miles / points transferred in?
#72
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: MCO
Programs: AA 1MM, BA, UA, HH Dia, CC Gold, SPG Plat
Posts: 795
#73
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: BOS
Programs: Chase Ultimate Rewards
Posts: 624
Spoke with executive offices today. Not offered any explanation. Was told this was not for perk abuse, but rather for unexpected spending. Reading between the lines it sounds like it was because I had several accounts, with very little spending on them. They will not return my annual fees even though I only have 4-6 months of use of the cards. They said they are entitled to keep them. They are not returning my points.
Chase also looks at your spending over time. If you started out at $1,000 per month for several months, and then started spending $10,000 each month, alarms might go off. This is why some people advise big spending when you first open the card.
These are isolated incidents of people pushing the envelope and getting shutdown because of that behavior. In brettskyg's instance, it sounds like he pushed too hard. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
Last edited by augustus21; Dec 17, 2013 at 3:00 pm
#74
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 140
Income was 100% inline with spending. Nothing was crazy. Spent maybe 10-15% of income on cards.
#75
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: HPN
Programs: not anymore! I'm FREE!
Posts: 3,450
Now, if you did something that violates your agreement with Chase, it's a different story. From what you've said so far, Chase hasn't accused you of anything like that, so I am baffled as to why they would refuse to refund your annual fees.
There are reports on this forum of people who successfully sued Chase to get their points back (or the cash value of those points) when Chase unilaterally closed their accounts.