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The revised July 23, 2014 CSP Guide to Benefits (BGC10374) may be found at this landing page (or directly at this location).
The CSP program rules/agreement (as of 7/24/14; RPC0444_0477) may be found at this landing page or directly at this location.
Changes to U.R. program recently announced. See post #1314.
The CSP program rules/agreement (as of 7/24/14; RPC0444_0477) may be found at this landing page or directly at this location.
Changes to U.R. program recently announced. See post #1314.
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#541
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...returned merchandises or canceled flights would result a credit that offset your current charges, regular points and bonus alike.
#542
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Okinawa
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#543
Join Date: Sep 2009
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By the way, I did not set out with the intent to achieve this result, and I am not recommending this scheme. But for someone worried about losing their minimum spend amount, there are other outcomes.
Last edited by Steve in Olympia; Jan 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm
#544
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,762
I dont even know how Chase would account for the refund and the extra bonus point until it shows up the way it shows up - since someone asked about refundable tickets, I thought I might share the data point on how Chase handles refunded items.
To be honest, I am rather impressed by the way Chase has done it.
Equally to be honest, I am quite surprised and put off by some of you folks who always in the mode of scramble / scam for miles / points, and then assume everyone behaves like you...
Last edited by Happy; Jan 13, 2012 at 10:23 pm
#545
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,762
So if you do this regularly you may essentially double your point earning on general spending.
Assuming you charge, say $3K on non-bonus general spending and $1K on 2x categories per month. Then what you need to do is book hotels (no matter through hotel sites or 3rd party sites) up to $3K every month, and cancel hotel bookings later on.
Of course if you practice this on the regular basis, you account will be shut down. But once a while to get some extra points it shall be fine
Assuming you charge, say $3K on non-bonus general spending and $1K on 2x categories per month. Then what you need to do is book hotels (no matter through hotel sites or 3rd party sites) up to $3K every month, and cancel hotel bookings later on.
Of course if you practice this on the regular basis, you account will be shut down. But once a while to get some extra points it shall be fine
Chase not only takes back the regular points earned, but ALSO the extra bonus point. Have you actually read what my post said? You will NOT get any extra points. Both the previously earned and bonus points are crawled back when an item is returned for credit.
I merely report back the way Chase handles refunded items since someone is thinking about using refundable tickets to meet the spend requirement. Apparently somehow due to existing mind-set or prejudice, some folks simply totally miss what the post said - which clearly said that both the earned and bonus points are taken back.
Besides, the hotel room I booked with Expedia was a room I needed. Travel plan changed so I ended up having a cancellation. Not everyone is like you who would always think about how to skim / scam whichever way you could to "earn" miles / points.
Last edited by Happy; Jan 13, 2012 at 10:25 pm
#546
Join Date: Jun 2008
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I booked the room I needed but travel plan changed so I had to cancel the room. I dont even know how Chase would account for the refund and the extra bonus point until it shows up the way it shows up - to be honest, I am rather impressed by the way Chase has done it.
I am afraid not everyone is like you who try to skim / scam everyway you could to get miles or points.
I am afraid not everyone is like you who try to skim / scam everyway you could to get miles or points.
#547
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Location: Florida
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I read it as you mean I purposely booked hotel rooms then cancel it 2 months later so just to get some points...
People do have travel plans and sometimes travel plans can change. What is wrong or "too much work" to book a fully refundable prepaid stay with Expedia / Travelocity / Orbitz / whoever which often has far better rates than even the nonrefundable rates on hotels' own websites? What is the big deal to "let Expedia hold my couple hundred dollar" while I can save almost $100 dollars without any risk? Unless your cash flow is so tight that you could not spare a couple hundred $ to save $100 dollar... then you lose out because that is 30% saving - a $300 booking can be had with only $200 fully refundable prepaid, as an illustration. Or may be you are math-challenged that you could not see the point other than the notion that you have to let "Expedia hold your money for couple months".
#548
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: ORD
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Isn't that your previous post about my cancellation of Expedia booking?
I read it as you mean I purposely booked hotel rooms then cancel it 2 months later so just to get some points...
People do have travel plans and sometimes travel plans can change. What is wrong or "too much work" to book a fully refundable prepaid stay with Expedia / Travelocity / Orbitz / whoever which often has far better rates than even the nonrefundable rates on hotels' own websites? What is the big deal to "let Expedia hold my couple hundred dollar" while I can save almost $100 dollars without any risk? Unless your cash flow is so tight that you could not spare a couple hundred $ to save $100 dollar... then you lose out because that is 30% saving - a $300 booking can be had with only $200 fully refundable prepaid, as an illustration. Or may be you are math-challenged that you could not see the point other than the notion that you have to let "Expedia hold your money for couple months".
I read it as you mean I purposely booked hotel rooms then cancel it 2 months later so just to get some points...
People do have travel plans and sometimes travel plans can change. What is wrong or "too much work" to book a fully refundable prepaid stay with Expedia / Travelocity / Orbitz / whoever which often has far better rates than even the nonrefundable rates on hotels' own websites? What is the big deal to "let Expedia hold my couple hundred dollar" while I can save almost $100 dollars without any risk? Unless your cash flow is so tight that you could not spare a couple hundred $ to save $100 dollar... then you lose out because that is 30% saving - a $300 booking can be had with only $200 fully refundable prepaid, as an illustration. Or may be you are math-challenged that you could not see the point other than the notion that you have to let "Expedia hold your money for couple months".
#549
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K, HHonors Gold, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 61
UR Mall vs. Chase Travel
Apologies if this has been asked before - what is the best way to earn UR points from flight bookings - is it by
(a) booking tickets through Chase's own "Travel" planner section of the UR site or
(b) going through a partner like Hotwire/Travelocity where the UR Mall offers 2 extra points per $?
Thanks in advance!
(a) booking tickets through Chase's own "Travel" planner section of the UR site or
(b) going through a partner like Hotwire/Travelocity where the UR Mall offers 2 extra points per $?
Thanks in advance!
#550
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Okinawa
Posts: 2,611
Apologies if this has been asked before - what is the best way to earn UR points from flight bookings - is it by
(a) booking tickets through Chase's own "Travel" planner section of the UR site or
(b) going through a partner like Hotwire/Travelocity where the UR Mall offers 2 extra points per $?
Thanks in advance!
(a) booking tickets through Chase's own "Travel" planner section of the UR site or
(b) going through a partner like Hotwire/Travelocity where the UR Mall offers 2 extra points per $?
Thanks in advance!
#551
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Using the UR travel site only gets you 1 extra point. I'm really kind of surprised they offer the other travel sites and give you more points to use them
#553
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: ORD
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Just remember if you use Hotwire for the hotel many chains will not give you their own reward points. Travelocity would probably a better alternative
#554
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: L.A.
Programs: WN A-list & CP, Delta GM
Posts: 448
I misunderstood what you were saying in the previous post. That is it. Never did I thought or suggested that you did the Expedia hotel on purpose. I just thought you might have happened to find a loophole in their system. But don't you think it is too much to call me a skimmer or scammer? Hey I was just discussing a potential (well non-existent) loophole.
#555
Join Date: May 2011
Programs: Spg Gold, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 1,578
Right, which is what I was planning to do, but I've read numerous reports that you can only get a Sapphire bonus once either regular or preferred, or something along the lines of the 50,000 UR points for the Sapphire Preferred are for first time Sapphire cardholder's only. Obviously I don't feel my mother should be excluded as she hasn't received any bonus whatsoever. I didn't even know she had this card and was going to trade points for cash!
I just don't want her to apply, be approved and then not get the bonus because she won't be willing to argue for it like I am. I can't find the above wording anywhere in the T&C, but I might not be looking in the right place. Thanks in advance.
I just don't want her to apply, be approved and then not get the bonus because she won't be willing to argue for it like I am. I can't find the above wording anywhere in the T&C, but I might not be looking in the right place. Thanks in advance.
I do this all the time for my wife .