massive cabin crew layoff in sep/oct??

Old Jul 18, 20, 8:26 am
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massive cabin crew layoff in sep/oct??

just heard from a fd, min. 4000 and up to 60% cabin crew job cuts in sep/oct, that's a huge number among 10-11k cabin crew, anyone heard anything about it?? how about cockpit and other departments??
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Old Jul 18, 20, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Dirtytrix1980 View Post
just heard from a fd, min. 4000 and up to 60% cabin crew job cuts in sep/oct, that's a huge number among 10-11k cabin crew, anyone heard anything about it?? how about cockpit and other departments??
Rumours around the community of up to 650 pilot job losses from Cathay out of the 3360 that they have. This is Cathay alone and not Dragon and Express, which are sure to have redundancies of their own. Not good news, the pilots are incredibly worried, their contracts stipulate that the most junior pilots must be laid off first in reverse seniority order I.E Last in First out but they fear they can not trust management to follow the contracts.
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Old Jul 20, 20, 10:07 pm
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I heard that they are offering early retirement to senior cabin crew.
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Old Jul 21, 20, 3:08 am
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It would be a miracle if CX were able to achieve 80% of its 2019 traffic in the next two years.Hence the 20% job reduction (including normal retirement) seems to me an optimistic figure.
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Old Jul 21, 20, 8:33 am
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CX refuses to commit not to retrench workers after gotten around 700mil HKD in wage subsidy.

https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/202...00822_001.html
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Old Jul 21, 20, 11:47 am
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Heard a rumor that any layoffs will be after LegCo elections, whenever that is (a hidden condition of the govt bailout).
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Old Jul 23, 20, 2:59 am
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Heard a rumor that any layoffs will be after LegCo elections, whenever that is (a hidden condition of the govt bailout).
If that is relevant, and it certainly could be, then it is the announcement that will be delayed after the election. Then it will take time for some negotiations.

As the future prospects get worse and worse with the never-ending covid story, further delay could result in an even more damaging layoff plan.
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Old Jul 23, 20, 11:52 am
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CX refuses to commit not to retrench workers after gotten around 700mil HKD in wage subsidy.

https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/202...00822_001.html
Makes sense.. why wouldn't they retrench the workers? The government wage subsidy only stipulates that they have to keep employee levels until August.. After September, it's fair game to do whatever they want.. Besides, after getting the huge injection from the government and basically HK taxpayers, it's the right thing to do to restructure the company and employee base to make sure the company will be profitable again in the future.
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Old Jul 24, 20, 2:44 am
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Makes sense.. why wouldn't they retrench the workers? The government wage subsidy only stipulates that they have to keep employee levels until August.. After September, it's fair game to do whatever they want.. Besides, after getting the huge injection from the government and basically HK taxpayers, it's the right thing to do to restructure the company and employee base to make sure the company will be profitable again in the future.
Indeed.
Worldwide, airlines have received a bailout to keep them alive during the first few months when covid hit. Now that we know that covid is a long term problem, they all have to restructure. For example, US airlines could not layoff until 30 September. They have announced heavy layoffs in October (UA 36,000, AA 25,000), although US airlines should still have a less-affected domestic network. For example, UA plans to layoff 45% of its front-line work force, including 26,000 FAs and 2,250 pilots. AA mentioned 2,500 pilots.European airlines have also announced drastic plans.
CX is more at risk with no domestic network.
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Indeed.
Worldwide, airlines have received a bailout to keep them alive during the first few months when covid hit. Now that we know that covid is a long term problem, they all have to restructure. For example, US airlines could not layoff until 30 September. They have announced heavy layoffs in October (UA 36,000, AA 25,000), although US airlines should still have a less-affected domestic network. For example, UA plans to layoff 45% of its front-line work force, including 26,000 FAs and 2,250 pilots. AA mentioned 2,500 pilots.European airlines have also announced drastic plans.
CX is more at risk with no domestic network.
Horrible situation that the industry finds itself in, I believe Delta are thinking they can avoid any layoffs at all because of the agreements they reached with all of their unions over separation and leaves of absence, United and American are also hopefully that they will avoid any Pilot layoffs and a highly reduced number of Cabin staff layoffs all because of the work the unions have done coming up with early outs and long term leaves of absence, if true that is remarkable. Maybe Cathay can use that as inspiration, would go along way towards fixing the horrible relationship between staff and management when good times return
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