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EU entry restrictions based on citizenship or country of origin?

Old Jul 12, 20, 5:39 am
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EU entry restrictions based on citizenship or country of origin?

Anyone have a definitive answer whether holders of passports from recently-allowed countries (but residents of HK) are allowed to visit the EU?

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_...trictions.html says France and Italy are based on origin of flight, while Germany is based on residency.
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Old Jul 12, 20, 8:31 am
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What specific EU country? Remember that the EU Guidance provides broad-based principles, but each Member State has its own rules for entry and then possibly quarantine (as well as the definition of quarantine).
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Old Jul 12, 20, 9:27 am
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This question has been asked in many threads.
I have never seen a definitive answer.
Caling the consulate could help, but I have found the consulate where I reside unwilling to commit a clear answer. Very risk averese.

As Often1 mentions. each country has its own rules. So getting into one country does not necessarily means you an get into another EU country..
In Timatic the wording is often variable depending on the country.
Apparently France allows both nationals of EU+ and pax "arriving" from EU+.
They also allow pax "arriving" from 13 new countries.
Germany allows nationals of EU+ and residents of 8 new countries.
The use of words "national", "resident", "arriving from" is confusing, and I am not aware of anyone providing a clear answer.

As to your question about residency versus nationality: If you hold say an Australian passport, you do not have to provide proof of residency there. It's only if you reside in Australia with another nationality that you would need proof of residency in Australia. In other words, nationality assumes residency for travel purposes even if that is not the case.

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Originally Posted by brunos View Post
This question has been asked in many threads.
As Often1 mentions. each country has its own rules.
In Timatic the wording is often variable depending on the country.
Apparently France allows both nationals of EU+ and pax "arriving" from EU+.
They also allow pax "arriving" from 13 new countries.
Germany allows nationals of EU+ and residents of 8 new countries.
The use of words "national", "resident", "arriving from" is confusing, and I am not aware of anyone providing a clear answer.

As to your question about residency versus nationality: If you hold say an Australian passport, you do not have to provide proof of residency there. It's only if you reside in Australia with another nationality that you would need proof of residency in Australia. In other words, nationality assumes residency for travel purposes even if that is not the case.
Critically, TIMATIC provides separate field for "residency," "nationality" and "passport type".

Around the world, the meaning of these terms differs significantly and thus complete information avoids disappointment.
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Old Jul 12, 20, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1 View Post
Critically, TIMATIC provides separate field for "residency," "nationality" and "passport type".

Around the world, the meaning of these terms differs significantly and thus complete information avoids disappointment.
You are quite right, I was only referring to the summary:
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm

UNfortunately TIMATIC is sometimes puzzled by constant changes and the wordings in local language.
But TIMATIC confirms that someone arriving from EU+ and enter France even if from a nationality/residence from a third country not requiring visa (say Hong Kong). All you have to do is fly from UK. Transit is fine.
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Old Jul 12, 20, 3:53 pm
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Very interested in this issue... for example, if a passenger is travelling on an Australian passport, but is embarking from a country not on the approved list (for example, the USA), would he be allowed in at the border? I assume the answer would be yes, especially if arriving in a country without APIS or requiring a health declaration form.
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I read the EU council recommendation carefully. It’s specially not based on nationality, but rather based on country of residence, however “residence” is not defined and the determination of such would be at the whim of the immigrations agent at the border. My suggestion is to have a copy of the rule as well as proof of residence abroad, several copies, and a clear understanding of how they should interpret it based on precedent.

source: https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc...20-INIT/en/pdf
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Old Jul 13, 20, 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by cmiller11101 View Post
I read the EU council recommendation carefully. It’s specially not based on nationality, but rather based on country of residence, however “residence” is not defined and the determination of such would be at the whim of the immigrations agent at the border. My suggestion is to have a copy of the rule as well as proof of residence abroad, several copies, and a clear understanding of how they should interpret it based on precedent.

source: https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc...20-INIT/en/pdf
As Often1 stressed. The EU only provide recommendations. What you need to look at is each country's regulations and they differ markedly.
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Old Jul 13, 20, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by cmiller11101 View Post
I read the EU council recommendation carefully. It’s specially not based on nationality, but rather based on country of residence, however “residence” is not defined and the determination of such would be at the whim of the immigrations agent at the border. My suggestion is to have a copy of the rule as well as proof of residence abroad, several copies, and a clear understanding of how they should interpret it based on precedent.

source: https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc...20-INIT/en/pdf
I would not bother reading the EU documents. They may help to inform what Member States do, but they are of little interest to the traveler.

Go to the entry requirements for the specific Member States you intend to enter and transit and read the specific requirements for those States. The definitions are particularly important as are the specifics of terms such as "quarantine" and "isolation" and those vary by State.
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Norway, a schengen country does not grant access to anyone from outside the EU except if you can prove you’re in a relationship with someone living here or a family member. It is based on country of residency I believe. Not sure what checks are still in place at the border, but the border with Sweden is based on trust with spot checks. Certain EU countries are barred from entry (not strictly as you can enter subject to quarantine). UK publish a full list of who can be permitted entry too.
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Old Jul 28, 20, 2:50 am
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this website. Sometimes slow to load, but generally upto date and easy to see relevant information in an organised manner!

https://reopen.europa.eu/#/en
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Old Jul 28, 20, 4:34 am
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this website. Sometimes slow to load, but generally upto date and easy to see relevant information in an organised manner!

https://reopen.europa.eu/#/en
As stated above, I would not trust an official EU website.
It might be organized, but often incorrect or undetailed
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Old Jul 28, 20, 5:21 am
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We are two HK residents, one with with a Chinese passport, one with a Canadian. We flew to Croatia via LHR (with a negative COVID test) and entered Italy after two weeks in Croatia without issue (where we currently are). They are looking at where you come from, not your citizenship or residence (at least in the context of Italy).
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Old Jul 28, 20, 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by the.wandering.aengus View Post
We are two HK residents, one with with a Chinese passport, one with a Canadian. We flew to Croatia via LHR (with a negative COVID test) and entered Italy after two weeks in Croatia without issue (where we currently are). They are looking at where you come from, not your citizenship or residence (at least in the context of Italy).
Could the Chinese passport get into Croatia without a tourist visa?
Or did he/she have a HK SAR passport, which does not require visa?

I now have example of a HKSAR passport who had no problem entering France via LHR. SOme other nationalities too, but not requiring a visa.

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Old Jul 28, 20, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by brunos View Post
Could the Chinese passport get into Croatia without a tourist visa?
Or did he/she have a HK SAR passport, which does not require visa?

I now have example of a HKSAR passport who had no problem entering France via LHR. SOme other nationalities too, but not requiring a visa.
Chinese passport had a Schengen Visa already, which is valid for entry to Croatia.
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