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Old Jun 14, 2020, 5:44 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
An ownership by CA isn't a bad thing. At the minimum, CX has better access to the Mainland market.

But this is definitely not a good deal. See below.



It will keep getting worse.

CX has been mismanaged for years (seriously, when an airline lost that much from hedging but made money on others, you know there must be something wrong). The new owner literally knows jack about businesses, as it practically fails in each instance.

Don't forget - the new owner is extremely biased (i.e. worse than CA) because it decides to save CX and leave HX untouched. Since CX becomes a SOE, their operations can be monitored by the new owner more closely.
OT, but many things in HK are just bleeding cash to large corporates. The high speed rail link and new MTR lines are paying hefty sums to contractors - British ones and Chinese ones. Any FX/fuel hedging are lost, paying huge sums to Goldman Sachs or Citadel. Perfect crime, I see. The boards of MTR, CX or the demised CITIC Pacific are either corrupt or non-functioning at all.
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Old Jun 14, 2020, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by SKRan
QR is so much better than CA as a CX strategic partner.
QR does not bring businesses to CX as much as CA.
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Old Jun 14, 2020, 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
QR does not bring businesses to CX as much as CA.
It brought cash without interfering. Qatar premium customers has incentives to fly CX if they have to because they get oneworld benefits. CA's premium customers get nothing when flying CX.
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Old Jun 15, 2020, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
QR does not bring businesses to CX as much as CA.
QR is a leading world airline. CA is a third world shitshow.
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Old Jun 16, 2020, 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Isochronous
QR is a leading world airline. CA is a third world shitshow.
But it has a bigger mouth than QR. That's for sure.
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Old Jun 17, 2020, 1:39 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
But it has a bigger mouth than QR. That's for sure.
A bigger mouth than Al Baker, who has threatened to quit oneworld several times?
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Old Jun 17, 2020, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
A bigger mouth than Al Baker, who has threatened to quit oneworld several times?
Sure. At least his big mouth won't affect CX's operations in general.

But CA can.
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Old Jul 23, 2020, 10:08 pm
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CX share have drop to record low level at around HK$5.63.
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Old Jul 24, 2020, 7:50 am
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Could CX lose all its US access now that Hong Kong has lost its special US status?
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Old Jul 24, 2020, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Dieuwer
Could CX lose all its US access now that Hong Kong has lost its special US status?
No for now.

HKSAR Government has not exactly done anything explicitly to piss off the U.S. Government. Also, it would be a reduction instead of a total loss, given AA/UA still have flights to HKG (assuming COVID-19 is not a factor).
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Old Jul 25, 2020, 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
No for now.

HKSAR Government has not exactly done anything explicitly to piss off the U.S. Government. Also, it would be a reduction instead of a total loss, given AA/UA still have flights to HKG (assuming COVID-19 is not a factor).
Is that a joke?
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Old Jul 25, 2020, 12:56 pm
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Is that a joke?
No, as real as it gets.
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Old Jul 25, 2020, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
No for now.

HKSAR Government has not exactly done anything explicitly to piss off the U.S. Government. Also, it would be a reduction instead of a total loss, given AA/UA still have flights to HKG (assuming COVID-19 is not a factor).
Really? Are you absolutely sure?

I suspect the future holds a further break from US/China flying which will probably be extended to Hong Kong, so CX better be prepared for a stop to their US routes.
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Old Jul 25, 2020, 2:38 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Really? Are you absolutely sure?

I suspect the future holds a further break from US/China flying which will probably be extended to Hong Kong, so CX better be prepared for a stop to their US routes.
Absolutely.
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Old Jul 25, 2020, 9:02 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
No for now.

HKSAR Government has not exactly done anything explicitly to piss off the U.S. Government. Also, it would be a reduction instead of a total loss, given AA/UA still have flights to HKG (assuming COVID-19 is not a factor).
Your basis for this conclusion runs against the facts. The HK Autonomy Act states "The ways in which the Government of China, at times with the support of a subservient Government of Hong Kong, has acted in contravention of its obligations under the Joint Declaration and the Basic Law." Moreover, the US government has made countless statements against the actions of the HK government since the start of the extradition bill fiasco.

That being said, "pissing off" the US is irrelevant. The question is whether air services agreement between Hong Kong and the US is threatened by any of the US laws or orders. I have not seen this mentioned in any of the media coverage but would be curious if anyone has taken a close enough look to be able to definitively say whether this is threatened.
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