Transit through HKIA to re-open on 1 June
#61
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In HKG, a boarding pass for the connecting flight can easily be retrieved at the transfer desk, located right before transfer security. So theoretically OP would be able to have both onward boarding passes when entering transfer security. Problem is that the transfer rules might be checked and enforced both at transfer security and at pre-boarding check and his plan involves passing transfer security using BP #1 and clearing pre-boarding check usign BP #2 .
#63
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Additionally, like I mentioned before, the "transit boarding" pass will be stamped. So, if you show up at the gate without the stamp in your BP, considering that your transit stamp will be in the HKG-BKK boarding pass, your road stops there most likely.
Last edited by AndyA; Jun 5, 2020 at 6:17 am Reason: Changed PEK to BKK
#65
Join Date: Sep 2008
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I don't think you will even get the BP for your HKG-PEK flight. You cannot check-in online and you have to collect the BP from the transit desk. They will see that you are not eligible for transit.
Even if you got the BP from online check-in, it will not work, as they will stamp the BP and give you a transit sticker approving you for transit.
Even if you got the BP from online check-in, it will not work, as they will stamp the BP and give you a transit sticker approving you for transit.
My question is where/how do you propose to get the boarding pass for the HKG-PEK flight? CX will not let you check-in without valid transit itinenary.
Additionally, like I mentioned before, the "transit boarding" pass will be stamped. So, if you show up at the gate without the stamp in your BP, considering that your transit stamp will be in the HKG-PEK boarding pass, your road stops there most likely.
Additionally, like I mentioned before, the "transit boarding" pass will be stamped. So, if you show up at the gate without the stamp in your BP, considering that your transit stamp will be in the HKG-PEK boarding pass, your road stops there most likely.
#66
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So in response:
1 - Agreed you could have any destination other than BKK, but I presume that you need BKK to get your cheap fare, if Thailand bans (or rather continues to ban) flights Cathay will refund you the money and let you rebook to a different destination but for a fare difference, so your cheap flight may be less cheap
2 - Agreed that you can avoid reasons to go landside such as baggage, and indeed, I was making the point that this plan only works with hand-baggage only, but I just wanted to be sure you weren't thinking of anything like changing your baggage destination as well. But my general scenarios for other reasons could include other random scenarios that have occurred in the last few days, such as the authorities decide the plane is full of COVID and they want to quarantine you all on arrival, or supervise you to your next flight to make sure you are Thailand's problem (I presume in this case though they may keep you in HK)
3 - Who could deny you boarding, my thought process was primarily the Cathay staff boarding you at the gate or transfer desk (not sure how they'd work it out of course, but the airline can deny you boarding). I'll give you a scenario, that you are welcome to discount but doesn't seem so far fetched to me:
Your HKG-PEK flight could be turned to manual paper boarding (i.e. no online check-in), which I seem to get often on flights to China as I am not a citizen, mainly I think its the other way around though to be fair (China to HKG), or because China/HK makes Cathay check your temperature or some other check before they issue a boarding pass. Hence the only way to get a boarding pass would be at HKG check-in (means leaving immigration, means quarantine), or at the transfer desk... at which point the staff may ask "why you didn't pick it up before security", and then you get into either honesty (in which case they can refuse to issue it just because they aren't keen on you bending the rules), or lying (it's gonna puzzle them how you got through security without a boarding pass, may be a problem)
4 - If you aren't a HK resident you are not able to enter HK, hence some of your flexibility is removed, the outcome then could be deportation as HK is not allowing non-residents to enter and Cathay needs to get you somewhere, they can't leave you in the airport for more than 8 hours. Again, another scenario you are welcome to ignore:
Flight from LAX-HKG leaves late, which means you miss your PEK (or BKK) connection, or you break the 8 hour maximum transit time (noting this is new since your first post, but shows how the rules can randomly change in the current world). Cathay would do some form of protection for your BKK segment, but definitely not the PEK one, so you'd end up in some form of special transit limbo and not much hope of getting to PEK. Note I consider delayed flights pretty unlikely at the moment due to the small numbers, but equipment going tech or COVID stuff means it isn't that reliable. Worse case you refuse to go to BKK so they'd likely send you back to LAX.
Anyway, I wish you luck, we can advise on what we think, in my case pre-COVID I went through HKG about 30-40 times a year, but always as a resident and only rarely transiting. My last arrival however was in March (sob), where the health checks had just been announced but there was a lot of uncertainty and things literally changed overnight and was therefore much less organised. I love HKG and its efficiency, but much of that seems to have now had to change sadly.
#67
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Whenever OP migrates into another airport zone, this is recorded. Recorded in combination with BP and PNR. I have no reasons to assume, this information is not share liberally between airport, airlines, immigration, police and who ever is relevant at the airport.
So, where ever OP shows up, OP has bent the rules and it is clear this was done, deliberately.
In practice, this implies, OP will be the playbal between these parties. It will be just luck, when it won't be the Police. When the airline might be afraid to get the blames and tries to move OP out to somewhere else, OP might be lucky (Though not likely, because "somewhere else" will probably create another -passenger history- problem for CX). And when it is the Police getting involved, expect some jail time.
Don't forget: Where people on late-arrival flights "eagerly" hurry up to the next gate to make their near-miss transit connection, the result has already been decided by the airlines. So, even when you manage to show up before the gate closes, if the airline decided differently, you won't be admitted to the next flight. Of course, unless you make a mess of it and delay your next gate more than reasonably can be expected.
Or so to say, aside from the passenger "moving" inside the terminal, there is a tracking mechanism in place to follow the passenger.
So, where ever OP shows up, OP has bent the rules and it is clear this was done, deliberately.
In practice, this implies, OP will be the playbal between these parties. It will be just luck, when it won't be the Police. When the airline might be afraid to get the blames and tries to move OP out to somewhere else, OP might be lucky (Though not likely, because "somewhere else" will probably create another -passenger history- problem for CX). And when it is the Police getting involved, expect some jail time.
Don't forget: Where people on late-arrival flights "eagerly" hurry up to the next gate to make their near-miss transit connection, the result has already been decided by the airlines. So, even when you manage to show up before the gate closes, if the airline decided differently, you won't be admitted to the next flight. Of course, unless you make a mess of it and delay your next gate more than reasonably can be expected.
Or so to say, aside from the passenger "moving" inside the terminal, there is a tracking mechanism in place to follow the passenger.
#68
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Whenever OP migrates into another airport zone, this is recorded. Recorded in combination with BP and PNR. I have no reasons to assume, this information is not share liberally between airport, airlines, immigration, police and who ever is relevant at the airport.
So, where ever OP shows up, OP has bent the rules and it is clear this was done, deliberately.
In practice, this implies, OP will be the playbal between these parties. It will be just luck, when it won't be the Police. When the airline might be afraid to get the blames and tries to move OP out to somewhere else, OP might be lucky (Though not likely, because "somewhere else" will probably create another -passenger history- problem for CX). And when it is the Police getting involved, expect some jail time.
Don't forget: Where people on late-arrival flights "eagerly" hurry up to the next gate to make their near-miss transit connection, the result has already been decided by the airlines. So, even when you manage to show up before the gate closes, if the airline decided differently, you won't be admitted to the next flight. Of course, unless you make a mess of it and delay your next gate more than reasonably can be expected.
Or so to say, aside from the passenger "moving" inside the terminal, there is a tracking mechanism in place to follow the passenger.
So, where ever OP shows up, OP has bent the rules and it is clear this was done, deliberately.
In practice, this implies, OP will be the playbal between these parties. It will be just luck, when it won't be the Police. When the airline might be afraid to get the blames and tries to move OP out to somewhere else, OP might be lucky (Though not likely, because "somewhere else" will probably create another -passenger history- problem for CX). And when it is the Police getting involved, expect some jail time.
Don't forget: Where people on late-arrival flights "eagerly" hurry up to the next gate to make their near-miss transit connection, the result has already been decided by the airlines. So, even when you manage to show up before the gate closes, if the airline decided differently, you won't be admitted to the next flight. Of course, unless you make a mess of it and delay your next gate more than reasonably can be expected.
Or so to say, aside from the passenger "moving" inside the terminal, there is a tracking mechanism in place to follow the passenger.
#69
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Falsely and intentionally trying to circumvent the officially published HK transit regulations by in advance obtaining alternative HK departure tickets/BP then the towards CX and HKG expressed intention to come to HKG for transit according to inbound ticket/BP. I am not from HK, though I do (reasonably) assume, that's a crime in HK. Whatever how much spin OP creates around those tickets.
#70
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Falsely and intentionally trying to circumvent the officially published HK transit regulations by in advance obtaining alternative HK departure tickets/BP then the towards CX and HKG expressed intention to come to HKG for transit according to inbound ticket/BP. I am not from HK, though I do (reasonably) assume, that's a crime in HK. Whatever how much spin OP creates around those tickets.
#71
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I'm not saying the guy will be able to get through but I'm wondering if you are making stuff up that isn't true.
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#73
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I think the big problem here is assuming the way transit used to work, is how its going to work as HKIA reopens. Just because this concept would have worked before C-19, does not mean that it will work now.
#74
Join Date: Jun 2017
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further it remain to be seen whether he can get the boarding pass online if he check in. I believe I read before if that if there is some document check required, they will allow you to check in online but won’t issue any boarding pass and ask you to go to the counter.
#75
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Wouldn't the transit desk not issue boarding pass for China bound flight since no transit passenger is allowed?