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Old Jun 29, 19, 11:26 pm
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First Class Food and Beverage Discussion Thread

Hello all, I know this is a common topic and I don't *think* (????) we have another thread explicitly dedicated to this. Now we do have the 2019 First Class Menus thread (and one for each year...2018, 2017, 2016, etc. plus the same for biz class, curated by the very dedicated Carfield), but since it contains the full menus and might be most useful that way, I thought maybe we could have a separate thread for discussion only? You know, all the important things like Krug 2004 vs NV, or Lynch Bages that's too young to drink. This is one of my own favorite topics, whinging about such things as First Class F&B, and I know plenty of other forum members too.

And if I'm being completely dumb and another thread already exists, apologies for overlooking it!

It seems CX has replaced their caviar - which already wasn't very good, IMO - with King's Caviar? From their website the description is

"...its deep flavour and robust egg make this the perfect canape caviar." It's not labeled oscietra or anything to indicate a type I'm familiar with; the "perfect canape caviar" description is indeed rather ominous. I already thought it couldn't get much worse than CX's previous caviar, but it seems that might be the case.

Here's the King's caviar lineup. If you click on the different sized Imperial Caviar selections, some of them have the description I mentioned King's Imperial Caviar

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Old Aug 19, 19, 7:37 am
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For those who care, the caviar changed to King's imperial on our JFK-HKG flight.
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Old Aug 20, 19, 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly2Where View Post
For those who care, the caviar changed to King's imperial on our JFK-HKG flight.
The caviar service used to be much, much nicer. Tin on a paper napkin on a regular plate just doesn't cut it in my book.
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Old Aug 21, 19, 1:19 am
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Does anybody know if Krug 2004 will be around in September? I’ll be flying late September. Love Krug 2004!
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Old Aug 21, 19, 7:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly2Where View Post
For those who care, the caviar changed to King's imperial on our JFK-HKG flight.
Apparently King's Imperial caviar is farmed in China. https://www.kingsfinefood.co.uk/inde...r-30g-tin.html

The previous brand used as Calvisius caviar which is farmed in Italy.
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Old Aug 22, 19, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly2Where View Post
For those who care, the caviar changed to King's imperial on our JFK-HKG flight.
From the photo, it appears that you are sitting across from wife/girlfriend/traveling companion; and you have a feast while there's just a bare tablecloth in front of her. Say it ain't so!
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Old Aug 26, 19, 4:41 am
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Just tried to Kings Imperial caviar on my JFK-HKG flight yesterday.... It was pretty horrible to be honest... I kept thinking that this must be imitation caviar or something.... the pearls were big, but the taste was bland and there was absolutely no texture at all...
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Old Aug 26, 19, 9:06 am
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agree with others, the caviar is simply not good.

unrelated matter (perhaps posted in wrong location) - on Friday's JFK-HKG (845) FA claimed they were out of chinese options when she took my order leaving me with the ravioli or beef. Is this a normal occurrence? I find it hard to believe more than 2 other pax chose the chinese options. Does CX feed the crew from the F galley? Really disappointing.
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Old Aug 26, 19, 9:16 am
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I too agree the caviar is quite bad (had it on two flights LAX-HKG-LAX last week) . Among all the problems facing CX this is one of the lest important, but it reflects the desperation for cost cutting. Also, LAX QUANTAS lounge First closes early, so if you are on the 1;30 AM CX 881 they ask you to leave ang go to the business lounge.
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Old Aug 26, 19, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by sriegert View Post
on Friday's JFK-HKG (845) FA claimed they were out of chinese options when she took my order leaving me with the ravioli or beef. Is this a normal occurrence? I find it hard to believe more than 2 other pax chose the chinese options.
In the good old days F was loaded with one of every dish for every passenger. Sadly "First Class" doesn't have the same meaning that it did 20 years ago.
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Does anyone other than me now think that the food on QR J is consistently better than that on CX F?
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Old Aug 26, 19, 10:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH View Post
Does anyone other than me now think that the food on QR J is consistently better than that on CX F?
I find AA J better than CX F these days in terms of quality.... sigh....
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Old Aug 26, 19, 11:34 pm
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Is Kaluga Queen actually bad, or is its taste being pre-judged because it's from China?

It is apparently highly rated:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...russia-anymore

And yet after the first tin was shipped in 2006, Kaluga Queen began to build a distinguished fan base. It’s now the caviar of choice for 21 of the 26 Michelin three-starred restaurants in Paris, including Alain Ducasse at the Plaza Athénée Hotel. Seafood specialist Eric Ripert serves it at Le Bernardin in New York. Lufthansa offers it in first-class cabins. The company’s sturgeon roe was even part of President Obama’s meal at the 2016 Group of 20 summit.
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Old Aug 27, 19, 12:01 am
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Originally Posted by daniellam View Post
Apparently King's Imperial caviar is farmed in China.
The previous brand used as Calvisius caviar which is farmed in Italy.
Whilst you are correct, I frequently purchase caviar from China, and it can be a remarkably high quality. It is indeed a lower price point but don't mistake that to mean quality is poor. The Chinese caviar industry is no joke. (And there are plenty of mediocre or worse European caviar farms.)

Of course, there are many different type and qualities of caviar from most large resellers or producers.

I think the bigger problem with this King's Imperial probably isn't its origin, but the style..it appears to be the lowest grade stuff they sell. King's themselves recommend using their Imperial grade caviar "on canapes..." (hint: not on its own!)
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Old Aug 27, 19, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by sxc View Post
Is Kaluga Queen actually bad, or is its taste being pre-judged because it's from China?

It is apparently highly rated:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...russia-anymore
I missed your post, perhaps we were posting at the same time. China makes superb caviar. There is a lingering issue when people find out it's "from China." I can't say I purchase caviar all that often, but maybe once a quarter for friends coming over or something like that. At first I admit I was tepid, but it was a long time ago I got used to the fact that China makes excellent caviar. Especially buying certain grades of caviar, you'd just be a fool to be buying from some European farms. More expensive and decidedly worse quality than the comparable Chinese stuff.

Where it's packed, how its treated all come into play. Finding a reliable supplier you trust is probably the most important thing. There is very good caviar from multiple places, and yea China is definitely one of those.
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