CEO Rupert Hogg resigns; also other top execs
Aug 19, 2019, 2:52 am
#76
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CAAC just turned Rupert Hogg into a Martyr...I think being the CEO, employees feel some sort of emnity towards him and the CX management specially after the cuts these past few years...but after last Friday you'd think people will be submitting his name to the Vatican to be made a saint.
CX was caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place, ultimatelty some executives had to be sacrified to the "Dragon" for CX to survive.
CX was caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place, ultimatelty some executives had to be sacrified to the "Dragon" for CX to survive.
Aug 19, 2019, 4:00 am
#77
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The Coca-Cola bottler this week confirmed to just-drinks the move, which will see Swire's China base relocate from Hong Kong to Shanghai's Pudong. A spokesperson said the switch will help further expand business in China. The company's global headquarters will remain in Hong Kong.
Aug 19, 2019, 4:17 am
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I used to be on the senior management team of a major telecoms company which did something similar about 15 years back. There were various tax incentives from the Communist Party for us to move our AsiaPac headquarters to Shanghai. But those incentives proved short-lived. The Communist Party representative in the corner at all managment meetings proved oppressive. And it didn't actually bring any significant benefits to our China business.
And that was with a team of people who were employed specifically to look after the families of senior party officials both in Shanghai and Beijing, and to send their wives on shopping trips, and their kids to education, in Europe, all at the company's expense.
The decision was, in effect, reversed a few years later.
So many companies have got burned trying to do business with the Communist Party that you would think people would have learned by now!
And that was with a team of people who were employed specifically to look after the families of senior party officials both in Shanghai and Beijing, and to send their wives on shopping trips, and their kids to education, in Europe, all at the company's expense.
The decision was, in effect, reversed a few years later.
So many companies have got burned trying to do business with the Communist Party that you would think people would have learned by now!
Last edited by christep; Aug 19, 2019 at 4:29 am
Aug 19, 2019, 6:47 am
#79
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I used to be on the senior management team of a major telecoms company which did something similar about 15 years back. There were various tax incentives from the Communist Party for us to move our AsiaPac headquarters to Shanghai. But those incentives proved short-lived. The Communist Party representative in the corner at all managment meetings proved oppressive. And it didn't actually bring any significant benefits to our China business.
And that was with a team of people who were employed specifically to look after the families of senior party officials both in Shanghai and Beijing, and to send their wives on shopping trips, and their kids to education, in Europe, all at the company's expense.
The decision was, in effect, reversed a few years later.
So many companies have got burned trying to do business with the Communist Party that you would think people would have learned by now!
And that was with a team of people who were employed specifically to look after the families of senior party officials both in Shanghai and Beijing, and to send their wives on shopping trips, and their kids to education, in Europe, all at the company's expense.
The decision was, in effect, reversed a few years later.
So many companies have got burned trying to do business with the Communist Party that you would think people would have learned by now!
Aug 19, 2019, 12:05 pm
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Aug 19, 2019, 1:41 pm
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Apparently a lot more than just me say it is not shareholders first
Aug 20, 2019, 4:41 am
#83
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I don’t understand how, after all this, people can say CX is becoming a mainland Chinese carrier??
They were the last in HK to bend to Beijing. HX did that so easily and so quietly that no one even had time to raise any eyebrows. You hear about CX staff protesting, but where’s the HX staff? CX crew has experienced and tried to refuse unreasonable searches and phone checks from Chinese airport security personnel. CX is getting all the flack from Beijing and HX is just there sipping its tea and nibbling it’s peanuts.
How does any of this make CX more mainland? If any, the lengths to which Beijing tried to kick CX when it was down and how Beijing sees CX as the opposition, goes to show how much CX is not mainland.
I’ve only got more admiration and sympathy for CX after all this.
They were the last in HK to bend to Beijing. HX did that so easily and so quietly that no one even had time to raise any eyebrows. You hear about CX staff protesting, but where’s the HX staff? CX crew has experienced and tried to refuse unreasonable searches and phone checks from Chinese airport security personnel. CX is getting all the flack from Beijing and HX is just there sipping its tea and nibbling it’s peanuts.
How does any of this make CX more mainland? If any, the lengths to which Beijing tried to kick CX when it was down and how Beijing sees CX as the opposition, goes to show how much CX is not mainland.
I’ve only got more admiration and sympathy for CX after all this.
Aug 20, 2019, 5:23 am
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Let's see. Their staff is now trained in China, their planes' maintenance done in China, most of their parts are now made by Chinese vendors (and we know the quality differences in that), etc. etc. But you're right, let's pretend they are not influence by China and Chinese airline culture at all.
They were the last in HK to bend to Beijing. HX did that so easily and so quietly that no one even had time to raise any eyebrows.
How does any of this make CX more mainland?
Aug 20, 2019, 5:57 am
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30, or even 10, years ago, maybe some truth in that, but in these days of made in China iPhones, high speed trains, and, yes, Airbus planes I really don't think that sentiment is accurate.
Aug 20, 2019, 9:41 am
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I don’t understand how, after all this, people can say CX is becoming a mainland Chinese carrier??
They were the last in HK to bend to Beijing. HX did that so easily and so quietly that no one even had time to raise any eyebrows. You hear about CX staff protesting, but where’s the HX staff? CX crew has experienced and tried to refuse unreasonable searches and phone checks from Chinese airport security personnel. CX is getting all the flack from Beijing and HX is just there sipping its tea and nibbling it’s peanuts.
How does any of this make CX more mainland? If any, the lengths to which Beijing tried to kick CX when it was down and how Beijing sees CX as the opposition, goes to show how much CX is not mainland.
I’ve only got more admiration and sympathy for CX after all this.
They were the last in HK to bend to Beijing. HX did that so easily and so quietly that no one even had time to raise any eyebrows. You hear about CX staff protesting, but where’s the HX staff? CX crew has experienced and tried to refuse unreasonable searches and phone checks from Chinese airport security personnel. CX is getting all the flack from Beijing and HX is just there sipping its tea and nibbling it’s peanuts.
How does any of this make CX more mainland? If any, the lengths to which Beijing tried to kick CX when it was down and how Beijing sees CX as the opposition, goes to show how much CX is not mainland.
I’ve only got more admiration and sympathy for CX after all this.
Aug 20, 2019, 11:16 am
#87
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I remember seeing a half page ad that they posted on a newspaper the day after the protests in the airport. Not sure whether it was after the first day or the second day of the protests. But the wording was much stronger than CX's, talking the inviolability of the One Country Two System arrangement and support for the government blah blah blah. 
Aug 20, 2019, 1:49 pm
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From Canada's Globe & Mail today:
Pilots and cabin crew at Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways described a “white terror” of political denunciations, sackings and phone searches by Chinese aviation officials amid anti-government protests gripping the former British colony.
Cathay, founded by an American and an Australian during British rule in 1946, was caught in the middle of the crisis 11 days ago, when China demanded it suspend staff involved in the protest movement.
The firm agreed, firing two pilots, but has since been plunged into turmoil after CEO Rupert Hogg was replaced last week.
Another pilot, Jeremy Tam, who is also a pro-democracy lawmaker, said on Tuesday that he and others had quit the airline as the internal political pressure was intolerable...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...ys-after-hong/
Pilots and cabin crew at Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways described a “white terror” of political denunciations, sackings and phone searches by Chinese aviation officials amid anti-government protests gripping the former British colony.
Cathay, founded by an American and an Australian during British rule in 1946, was caught in the middle of the crisis 11 days ago, when China demanded it suspend staff involved in the protest movement.
The firm agreed, firing two pilots, but has since been plunged into turmoil after CEO Rupert Hogg was replaced last week.
Another pilot, Jeremy Tam, who is also a pro-democracy lawmaker, said on Tuesday that he and others had quit the airline as the internal political pressure was intolerable...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...ys-after-hong/
Aug 20, 2019, 3:19 pm
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From Canada's Globe & Mail today:
Pilots and cabin crew at Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways described a “white terror” of political denunciations, sackings and phone searches by Chinese aviation officials amid anti-government protests gripping the former British colony.
Cathay, founded by an American and an Australian during British rule in 1946, was caught in the middle of the crisis 11 days ago, when China demanded it suspend staff involved in the protest movement.
The firm agreed, firing two pilots, but has since been plunged into turmoil after CEO Rupert Hogg was replaced last week.
Another pilot, Jeremy Tam, who is also a pro-democracy lawmaker, said on Tuesday that he and others had quit the airline as the internal political pressure was intolerable...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...ys-after-hong/
Pilots and cabin crew at Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways described a “white terror” of political denunciations, sackings and phone searches by Chinese aviation officials amid anti-government protests gripping the former British colony.
Cathay, founded by an American and an Australian during British rule in 1946, was caught in the middle of the crisis 11 days ago, when China demanded it suspend staff involved in the protest movement.
The firm agreed, firing two pilots, but has since been plunged into turmoil after CEO Rupert Hogg was replaced last week.
Another pilot, Jeremy Tam, who is also a pro-democracy lawmaker, said on Tuesday that he and others had quit the airline as the internal political pressure was intolerable...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...ys-after-hong/
yikes....