Aug 10, 2019, 6:54 pm
Last edit by: percysmith
This thread is to discuss the facts and practical implications of the China ruling on airspace and Cathay crew flying through the airspace.
For non-CX impact on travel to HK, please go to this thread in HK/Macau https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hong...ns-travel.html
If you would like to discuss the political motivations or opinions on this, please go to this thread in OMNI/PR https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni...-protests.html
For non-CX impact on travel to HK, please go to this thread in HK/Macau https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hong...ns-travel.html
If you would like to discuss the political motivations or opinions on this, please go to this thread in OMNI/PR https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni...-protests.html
CX Banned (kind of) by China
Aug 12, 2019, 7:50 am
#136
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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...-plummet-after
Looks like CX are taking a hard line. Maybe time to start boycotting them.
Does anyone know the CEO's email address or something? I feel like sending a letter saying how much his response pisses me off. I could send to the Marco Polo Diamond but I can't see that going anywhere useful.
CX staff are humans and entitled to do what they like in their time off!
EDIT: I found his Ruperts email address and sent him an email. I suspect he's got rather a lot on his hands today though!
Looks like CX are taking a hard line. Maybe time to start boycotting them.
Does anyone know the CEO's email address or something? I feel like sending a letter saying how much his response pisses me off. I could send to the Marco Polo Diamond but I can't see that going anywhere useful.
CX staff are humans and entitled to do what they like in their time off!
EDIT: I found his Ruperts email address and sent him an email. I suspect he's got rather a lot on his hands today though!
There may be some backlash from customers if there is public sentiment that CX employees are being treated unfairly for political beliefs and supporting causes close to their hearts.
Aug 12, 2019, 7:59 am
#137
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Agreed. I 100% support the protestors, but there's a big financial consequence for CX if they let their staff attend any illegal demonstrations after the CAAC put up their new policy. If enough CX staff somehow get caught as being in attendance by the CCP, it'll be very difficult to roster specific F/As or pilots onto SEA/Oceania routes. I suppose they don't want to even have to deal with rostering a small group of F/As and pilots which is why they took a hard stance after the CAAC directive. I highly doubt anyone in CX management isn't on the protestors' "side", if you will. They simply have to comply with new Chinese policy; they can't afford not to.
Aug 12, 2019, 8:03 am
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Agreed. I 100% support the protestors, but there's a big financial consequence for CX if they let their staff attend any illegal demonstrations after the CAAC put up their new policy. If enough CX staff somehow get caught as being in attendance by the CCP, it'll be very difficult to roster specific F/As or pilots onto SEA/Oceania routes. I suppose they don't want to even have to deal with rostering a small group of F/As and pilots which is why they took a hard stance after the CAAC directive. I highly doubt anyone in CX management isn't on the protestors' "side", if you will. They simply have to comply with new Chinese policy; they can't afford not to.
Can they afford to? If the employees feel contributing to Hong Kong's future is more valuable than average pay @ CX, they could just start leaving on their own.
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Aug 12, 2019, 8:48 am
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The question is the word " Illegal" and I think CX is also using this as some demonstrations were legal and with the Police permits and some were illegal without the permits. So if they attend the legal ones, I think there is enough lax in that the they can get away with it as CAAC has also used the word illegal. So all demonstrations are not illegal in Hong Kong.
Aug 12, 2019, 9:26 am
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The question is the word " Illegal" and I think CX is also using this as some demonstrations were legal and with the Police permits and some were illegal without the permits. So if they attend the legal ones, I think there is enough lax in that the they can get away with it as CAAC has also used the word illegal. So all demonstrations are not illegal in Hong Kong.
Aug 12, 2019, 7:02 pm
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Agreed. I 100% support the protestors, but there's a big financial consequence for CX if they let their staff attend any illegal demonstrations after the CAAC put up their new policy. If enough CX staff somehow get caught as being in attendance by the CCP, it'll be very difficult to roster specific F/As or pilots onto SEA/Oceania routes. I suppose they don't want to even have to deal with rostering a small group of F/As and pilots which is why they took a hard stance after the CAAC directive. I highly doubt anyone in CX management isn't on the protestors' "side", if you will. They simply have to comply with new Chinese policy; they can't afford not to.
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Aug 12, 2019, 9:43 pm
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I'm not sure this will be sufficient grounds for dismissal... I can't wait to see the CX employees who were fired to bring CX to court. Bring out the popcorn!
Aug 12, 2019, 9:53 pm
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Aug 12, 2019, 9:59 pm
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Correct.. They have only ever lost by giving grounds.
Whenever they pay out notice period, there is no recourse.
Bring out the popcorn shows ZERO understanding of HK labour law (none.. basically.. Pay Notice.. do as you like)
Aug 13, 2019, 12:32 am
#147
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Right... and I guess the unfair dismissal claims I've seen are hallucinations.
Aug 13, 2019, 3:23 am
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1. The employer should give "legal" notice, or payment in lieu of notice. Otherwise it is a "wrongful" dismissal. This is what you refer to.
2. There could be an "unlawful dismissal", e.g. a pregnant woman. Then the Labour Tribunal can order reinstatement (if both parties agree) or an award compensation not exceeding HKD150,000
3. The Employment Ordinance list five major reasons for dismissal. In case of "unreasonable" dismissal, the employer should reinstate the employee (if both parties agree) or pay an award.
CX employee could claim that the dismissal is "unreasonable' and CX would counter that they have substantial reasons. It could also be that the employment contract contains clauses about employees conduct.
