Multi-city trip on CX (USA-HK-China)

Old Dec 25, 18, 11:42 pm
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Multi-city trip on CX (USA-HK-China)

Hey guys, don't know if I am posting this in the right place but I just want to see if any of you guys have any experiences with this.

My family is trying to do a trip around China and found that the tickets are much cheaper when you book the tickets all at once via the multi-city option instead of separately on the CX website. However, we are worried because we are HK-USA dual citizens with Home Return Permits (HRP) and China doesn't permit dual citizenship. If we book the tickets via the multi-city option, do we have to book the tickets and online check-in using our American passport or can we input different credentials each time we online check-in?? Here's our planned itinerary:

JFK-HKG
HKG-PEK
PEK-PVG (via high-speed rail)
PVG-HKG
HKG-JFK

Thanks in advance!!
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Old Dec 26, 18, 3:55 pm
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China does not allow multiple nationalities, but in 1996 NPC issued an interpretation for Chinese nationals with Hong Kong and Macau residency that they can hold foreign-issued travel documents (although not specifically said, that include passports). However, if the person obtained a Chinese visa or immigration stamp on his/her passport, they can confiscate the person's HRP, and that happened before.

I don't remember I need to declare my passport when buying tickets on CX. So I think you are OK. Your PEK-PVG should not be part of the ticket. You should be buying JFK-HKG-PEK//PVG-HKG-JFK. If you have PEK-PVG on your ticket, it will be operated by another carrier and your ticket can be very expensive. In addition, if you don't fly PEK-PVG, you cannot fly your subsequent segments (PVG-HKG-JFK).

I suggest you try booking and decide before paying.

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Old Dec 26, 18, 4:31 pm
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Oh ok thanks. I went to the CX website and it only prompts you to pay but didn't ask for any passport information. We plan on taking the high-speed rail from Beijing to Shanghai so I think that won't be a problem.

Do you know whether the information that I use when I online check-in for JFK-HKG (using USA passport credentials) will be seen by the Chinese authorities when I online check-in for HKG-PEK and PVG-HKG though? My family is worried since the trip is under one booking reference number since it's multi-city.
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Old Dec 27, 18, 1:23 am
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Originally Posted by an1100345 View Post
Oh ok thanks. I went to the CX website and it only prompts you to pay but didn't ask for any passport information. We plan on taking the high-speed rail from Beijing to Shanghai so I think that won't be a problem.

Do you know whether the information that I use when I online check-in for JFK-HKG (using USA passport credentials) will be seen by the Chinese authorities when I online check-in for HKG-PEK and PVG-HKG though? My family is worried since the trip is under one booking reference number since it's multi-city.
I'm not sure if such information would be seen by the Chinese Authorities but if I were you I would not do the OLCI so don't need to input any passport information online. Just check in at airport.

and I think you must enter and exit China using the same document so if you are using your HK passport to enter China you need to show your HK passport to immigration officer.

There is one more thing to watch out, if you are going to use your US document to check in on your return leg, the check-in staff may refuse to do so because they wouldnt be able to find the Entry Stamp on your US passport (as it would be on your HK document if you are using it to enter China). One of my friend was unable to check-in at PEK because there was no entry-stamp on his Australian Passport. (But tbh 99.9% of the time check in agent wouldn't bother to check this)

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Old Dec 27, 18, 2:09 am
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I'm not sure if such information would be seen by the Chinese Authorities but if I were you I would not do the OLCI so don't need to input any passport information online. Just check in at airport.
When you do counter check-in, the PP information is also entered in your PNR.
Where western, read especially Trump country, openly insist that the PNR of all passengers is passed on to the arrival authorities before departure of the plane (and the departure is refused, if the authorities have worries about a boarded passenger, the flight gets delayed, etc), I do expect China would have such a mechanism in place to. Maybe not to such an extent as the USA, though the authorities certainly get informed upfront arrival of the plane (How do you think, the Chinese government is able to arrest "state criminals" at the arrival of the plane ?).

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and I think you must enter and exit China using the same document so if you are using your HK passport to enter China you need to show your HK passport to immigration officer.
I am no China specialist, though given the China tendency wanting to control "everything", it is likely, this kind of action is tracked anyway.

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There is one more thing to watch out, if you are going to use your US document to check in on your return leg, the check-in staff may refuse to do so because they wouldnt be able to find the Entry Stamp on your US passport (as it would be on your HK document if you are using it to enter China). One of my friend was unable to check-in at PEK because there was no entry-stamp on his Australian Passport. (But tbh 99.9% of the time check in agent wouldn't bother to check this)
The check-in document does not have to be the same as being used at (departure as well as arrival) immigration control.
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Old Dec 27, 18, 7:08 am
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I remembered that when I check in for a multi segment trip, CX always prompts to enter travel documents for each segment (and there is a choice to use the same document for all segments). So I guess you can just use US passport for USA-HKG-HKG, and HRP for HKG-PEK, PVG-HKG.

China does prefer the travel document in the pax PNR to be the same as the one used at immigration. Otherwise they seem to struggle a bit and the departure automatic channel wonít work
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Old Dec 27, 18, 9:25 am
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I always transit or stop in HKG on my way to PEK, PVG or other Chinese cities on the same PNR/ticket:
* If I stop in HKG, I check in with my US passport and enter HKG with my HKID. When I check in HKG again, I use my HRP.
* If I just transit in HKG, I present US passport for the first segment and HRP for the second. It worked in the past, but I didn't do OLCI in this case.
I never had any problem. Note that my US passport never has any Chinese visa or stamps on it!!

AFAIK, people cannot enter China with HKSAR passports. They should enter with HRPs.
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Old Dec 27, 18, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960 View Post
I always transit or stop in HKG on my way to PEK, PVG or other Chinese cities on the same PNR/ticket:
* If I stop in HKG, I check in with my US passport and enter HKG with my HKID. When I check in HKG again, I use my HRP.
So did you booked this on a multi-city ticket under the same booking reference number and were you given the option to enter different passport information on each leg? And do you think it's a risk to enter two different passport information?
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Old Dec 27, 18, 4:11 pm
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So did you booked this on a multi-city ticket under the same booking reference number and were you given the option to enter different passport information on each leg? And do you think it's a risk to enter two different passport information?
I flew SFO-(o)HKG-(o)TNA-(o)HKG-SFO on a multi-city ticket (because of the multiple stopovers). I checked in with my US passport in SFO, with my HRP in HKG (for TNA) and in TNA, and my US passport again in HKG (for SFO). There was no problem even though my HRP name follows the HKID and the first and middle names are reversed from my ticket.
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Old Dec 27, 18, 8:53 pm
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Chinese mainland citizens are not allowed to have dual nationalities, Hong Kong and Macao citizens can. So if you are not mainland citizen I think thatís fine?

And for your trip, do you have Chinese Visa in your US passport? If you have, then China government would have known about your US citizenship. If not, you canít trvael to China using US passport, airport agent will need to perform document check and they will need to have a valid document in the system - this would be HRP if there is no Chinese Visa.

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Old Dec 28, 18, 6:22 am
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How about the name in HRP is little difference than the US passport. Like US passport Alex Leung Sung, and HRP Sung Sai Leung Alex, the air ticket definitely issued as Alex Leung Sung, will it get in trouble?
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Old Dec 28, 18, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960 View Post
I flew SFO-(o)HKG-(o)TNA-(o)HKG-SFO on a multi-city ticket (because of the multiple stopovers). I checked in with my US passport in SFO, with my HRP in HKG (for TNA) and in TNA, and my US passport again in HKG (for SFO). There was no problem even though my HRP name follows the HKID and the first and middle names are reversed from my ticket.
Sorry if I am asking too many questions, just want to make sure. But when you do multi-city to HKG and TNA, did you do OCLI for any part of the trip at all? And is your first and middle name reversed on your ticket done on purpose?

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Chinese mainland citizens are not allowed to have dual nationalities, Hong Kong and Macao citizens can. So if you are not mainland citizen I think thatís fine?

And for your trip, do you have Chinese Visa in your US passport? If you have, then China government would have known about your US citizenship. If not, you canít trvael to China using US passport, airport agent will need to perform document check and they will need to have a valid document in the system - this would be HRP if there is no Chinese Visa.
Hong Kong and Macao citizens technically aren't allowed to have dual nationalities since they are part of China after all, but the law's been very ambiguous and many people have dual nationalities these days. And I've never applied for a Chinese visa for my US passport so I should be fine for that part.
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Old Dec 28, 18, 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by an1100345 View Post
Sorry if I am asking too many questions, just want to make sure. But when you do multi-city to HKG and TNA, did you do OCLI for any part of the trip at all? And is your first and middle name reversed on your ticket done on purpose?
Yes for OLCI, but the process is tricky. The system will complain that names didn't match but let you continue.
No, it wasn't on purpose. I started with only my Chinese name in both US and HK, but I added my English name on my HKID about 30 years ago. The HK government automatically added my English name after the Chinese name like most HK people. When I was naturalized a US citizen, I added my English name as first name. It went to the front. Nobody seems to care that the names were reversed.


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Hong Kong and Macao citizens technically aren't allowed to have dual nationalities since they are part of China after all, but the law's been very ambiguous and many people have dual nationalities these days. And I've never applied for a Chinese visa for my US passport so I should be fine for that part.
The law is very strict that multiple nationalities are not allowed, but NPC issued an interpretation in 1996 that Chinese citizens residing in Hong Kong and Macau can have foreign-issued travel documents. IIRC, the then Director of Hong Kong and Macau Affairs, Mr. Lu Ping, presented in a press conference with two passports as an example - one is the future HKSAR passport, and one is a foreign passport - to further clarify the NPC decision. That year, I flew from Shanghai via Tokyo to San Francisco. I presented my HRP (then a book) to a Chinese Immigration agent. She asked me for the travel document to enter Japan or US. I reluctantly pulled out my US passport, but there was no problem. (It doesn't work the other way. If a foreign national is naturalized a Chinese citizen, he/she has to renounce the origin citizenship.)
Lately, Immigration started to flip my US passport when traveling to other places outside HK, but I have been okay as that does not contain any Chinese visas or stamps.
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