A333 on HKG-CAN! Isn't it insane?!

Old Oct 29, 18, 11:25 am
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correct. hsr in china is simple a white elephant.
The ridership numbers flatly contradict your assertion. Furthermore HSR has invigorated the economies of previously insignificant cities.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 12:38 pm
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LOL - as if KA introducing turbo props would be "better" at "attracting" connecting traffic - who in their right mind would choose turboprop service over a widebody jet?
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Old Oct 29, 18, 12:50 pm
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LOL - as if KA introducing turbo props would be "better" at "attracting" connecting traffic - who in their right mind would choose turboprop service over a widebody jet?
Well, a q400 §might§ be able to climb to 15,000 feet faster than a 330, which could facilitate a faster trip.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 12:51 pm
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Yes, that's called a political compromise .....
So political is a synonym for stupid in China as well...
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Old Oct 29, 18, 12:54 pm
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So political is a synonym for stupid in China as well...
The objective is to get people to/from Hong Kong, not HKIA. If you want to go to HKIA, and you're in Hong Kong, the Airport Express has you covered. If you want go there from other places, you can use airplanes or boats.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 7:20 pm
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So political is a synonym for stupid in China as well...
its a tyrrany that has killed more people than the population of the uk or france. or even combined. but anyways, cx is not going to buy a turboprob for 1 route.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog View Post
The ridership numbers flatly contradict your assertion. Furthermore HSR has invigorated the economies of previously insignificant cities.
the cost has.
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Old Oct 30, 18, 12:56 am
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its a tyrrany that has killed more people than the population of the uk or france. or even combined. but anyways, cx is not going to buy a turboprob for 1 route.
HK carrier is not even necessary to buy turboprob as well. KA is carrying A320 for O/D and insanely low price for XXX(China 2ndary port)-HKG-YYY(mainly Europe and US/Africa/ part of south-east Asia),
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Old Oct 30, 18, 1:35 am
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CAN-HKG KA's A330s are frequently carrying more cargo payload than a Q400 weighs.
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Old Oct 30, 18, 1:59 am
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Originally Posted by KayVeeBee View Post
So basically China invests billions in high speed trains, and then purposely adds inconveniences to lower their value?



Well, with a bit of extra infrastructure, and a more sensible railway policy they could run trains form the mainland to the aiport "airside" as well, couldn't they?

Having a performing rail network serve the hinterland of an airport is something many countries do.
No that would not be a bit of extra infrastructure, That would be major infrastructure to bring the High speed train to airport. The current track on the Tung Chung/Airport line, can't be used for the high speed train. So that would probably require to build a complete underground extension from the newly built high speed track.
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Old Oct 30, 18, 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by kaka View Post

correct. hsr in china is simple a white elephant.
tsing ma bridge is slot restricted cuz the chinese in late1980s didnt allow uk to build a 4-track section claiming its a waste of money. it is now already running at capacity thanks to the chinese incapability to understand urban planning.
it causes problems when we fly cuz aex cant put on more trains already.
I don't agree that building High Speed train is a while elephant. In all the countries where such infrastructure was build (Japan, France, Germany...), it is a huge success and replaced most domestic flights

who could have predicted 30-40 years ago that air travel would grow like this and housing on Lantau would be developed like this? But it is true that the problem will only get worse will all the future development in Lantau.
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Old Oct 30, 18, 2:25 am
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If you regularly fly that route (HKG<>CAN) then you should be happy about it.
yes for sure. But I highly doubt they are many people flying purely that segment. These flight are just here for connecting passengers and cargo
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This thread is not about trains, nor about how to get to the airport.

It is about why KA uses the A330 for this ultra short haul flight (HKG<>CAN).

The answer is simply slot restriction in HKIA, and the fact that KA is able to fill up this flight using this bird, which makes business sense to them.
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Old Oct 30, 18, 3:12 am
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Originally Posted by boybi View Post
This thread is not about trains, nor about how to get to the airport.

It is about why KA uses the A330 for this ultra short haul flight (HKG<>CAN).

The answer is simply slot restriction in HKIA, and the fact that KA is able to fill up this flight using this bird, which makes business sense to them.
Some blogger said KA781/2/6/9 are not profitable in customer side (even it is full). The main reason for operation is Cargo and transit passenger.

So do old KA396/1 (HKG-HND), passenger loading is not well due to competition from UO but Cargo do make money.
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Originally Posted by boybi View Post
This thread is not about trains, nor about how to get to the airport.

It is about why KA uses the A330 for this ultra short haul flight (HKG<>CAN).

The answer is simply slot restriction in HKIA, and the fact that KA is able to fill up this flight using this bird, which makes business sense to them.
Yeah, maybe a lot of people don't realize the population density in China's agglomerations. Many Chinese cities tend to be 10-100 times bigger then European cities, Europeans simply can't imagine this scale.

Turboprop planes are suitable for short distances with only a small number of people travelling between city pairs. The enormous amount of people moving through the hubs leads to slot restrictions and as such, higher fees and as such, higher costs per seat and as such, the eviction of the smaller planes from those airports, unless as feeders from small airports not far away.
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