"Almost half of Cathay Pacific’s pilots want to leave the Hong Kong carrier"
Aug 21, 2018, 4:18 am
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The timing of this results survey is also an attempt to get the attention of CX management for negotiations. One doesn't need a poll to prove what ones already knows unless further evidence or support is needed.
Aug 21, 2018, 5:06 am
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And the survey results need care - it's 43% of 1603 respondents, so that's about 21% of the total pilot group.
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Aug 21, 2018, 6:34 am
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The airline packages have changed with time and they just cannot accept it.
Aug 21, 2018, 6:55 am
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Something like 2500 out of Cathay's 3300 pilots earn over HK$1M per year. The median income in Hong Kong is less than HK$200K. There are very few places in the world where pilots get paid so much relative to the general population.
Aug 21, 2018, 8:58 am
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There are four pilots making over HK$5M annually? That's crazy.
Aug 21, 2018, 9:16 am
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And I assume that it does not count the perks. Many get unbelievable housing package.
In 2017 668 pilots and 24 top executives get more than 3M.
In 2017 668 pilots and 24 top executives get more than 3M.
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Aug 21, 2018, 9:16 am
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Also, I think "total remuneration" here already includes housing benefits etc as stated in 2017 annual report p.52
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Aug 21, 2018, 12:53 pm
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Thanks for that - I was too lazy to go find the update. So basically all of Cathay's pilots (even the SOs who sit there and watch the autopilot) now get $1M plus per year, and half of them get more than $2M/year.
Aug 21, 2018, 8:23 pm
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Just wondering, and I’m happy to be corrected, but how does 3347 flight staff out of 16931 getting over HK$1M equate to all of CX’s pilots?
Aug 21, 2018, 8:38 pm
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Aug 21, 2018, 9:16 pm
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Aug 21, 2018, 11:56 pm
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Flight staff does include cabin crew, but I would be very surprised if any significant number of cabin crew earned over $1M a year. Cathay has about 3300 pilots according to the initial SCMP article.
Aug 21, 2018, 11:58 pm
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I don't think it's appropriate to bucket SO's into the 1M plus category. If you look at the US industry, first officers aren't even paid as much (https://thepointsguy.com/2017/10/pil...ionals-400000/). Also, there is no way CX subsidizes a SO's training only to pay them $1M plus per year.