New Club year - surprise [“Free” Diamond for 2 years]
#17
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: HKG/HND/OOL
Programs: QF Emerald. SQ Gold.
Posts: 3,170
but double standard will bite them back
#19
formerly ssw207
Join Date: Apr 2000
Programs: BAGld, JLJGC, TK*G, EK-G, HH Dia,IHG Amb-PE, Bonvoy Gd, Shangrila DM
Posts: 657
Tell that to the shareholders. Do 10 things wrong and 1 thing right and expect for a praise?
#20
formerly ssw207
Join Date: Apr 2000
Programs: BAGld, JLJGC, TK*G, EK-G, HH Dia,IHG Amb-PE, Bonvoy Gd, Shangrila DM
Posts: 657
@oldchinahand I think we both agree that CX has made this move to help their business. However the implication from you is that they are doing this on a discretionary basis just because @mdevans is a loyal passenger in the past.
I believe that the motivation is due to negative impact from changes to the Marco Polo Program. If business was booming, and they could see positive incremental value post the program changes, I doubt they would be giving free status to any members. Because if they really wanted to reward years of loyalty, why not have a formal lifetime status program?
I believe that the motivation is due to negative impact from changes to the Marco Polo Program. If business was booming, and they could see positive incremental value post the program changes, I doubt they would be giving free status to any members. Because if they really wanted to reward years of loyalty, why not have a formal lifetime status program?
#21
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: Lowly CX & IHG
Posts: 382
Just thinking if we expect CX to treasure those who spend future money...
#22
formerly ssw207
Join Date: Apr 2000
Programs: BAGld, JLJGC, TK*G, EK-G, HH Dia,IHG Amb-PE, Bonvoy Gd, Shangrila DM
Posts: 657
I tried to spend money with CX in business. Booked in 773 long haul business, and guess what? they pull an EQV and I get the old 772.
#23
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: Lowly CX & IHG
Posts: 382
I agree that regional business seats are a genuine pain point
although it's so painful that even having DM doesn't help much
(not very relevant, by the time OP flew 2m+ miles the current cirrus J/cradle Y may not have existed most of the time)
although it's so painful that even having DM doesn't help much
(not very relevant, by the time OP flew 2m+ miles the current cirrus J/cradle Y may not have existed most of the time)
#24
Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: CX Life Time,TG,
Posts: 265
OLDCHINAHAND must have been given life time membership no later than 1998. At that time I believe that H G Wells could not have dreamed of the current long haul business class seat. However the business class seat then used was far superior to the fifth rate current regional offering.
#25
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SFO/HKG
Programs: ex-UA 1K, AA EXP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 535
I believe that the motivation is due to negative impact from changes to the Marco Polo Program. If business was booming, and they could see positive incremental value post the program changes, I doubt they would be giving free status to any members. Because if they really wanted to reward years of loyalty, why not have a formal lifetime status program?
#26
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,421
I second your opinion and I think business conditions are also the motivation behind the soon to be seen changes in Asia Miles. Increased award availability remains to be seen but the biggest "devaluation" came on redemptions with partner airlines which makes sense as the airline is able to sell more expensive tickets as the plane reaches capacity. Perhaps this is also a way to appease those who are going to suffer in 3-4-3 seating on the 777.
no one is suffering....
people want 3-4-3
THE market ( aka customers) has forced CX on to 3-4-3
SLOSAR/TYLER etc used to all boast about having 3-3-3 but customers punished CX for having the better offering
kinda like this forum- no matter what CX does, apparently couches form the 80's were more comfortable than today's beds in business class....
#27
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
no one is suffering....
people want 3-4-3
THE market ( aka customers) has forced CX on to 3-4-3
SLOSAR/TYLER etc used to all boast about having 3-3-3 but customers punished CX for having the better offering
kinda like this forum- no matter what CX does, apparently couches form the 80's were more comfortable than today's beds in business class....
people want 3-4-3
THE market ( aka customers) has forced CX on to 3-4-3
SLOSAR/TYLER etc used to all boast about having 3-3-3 but customers punished CX for having the better offering
kinda like this forum- no matter what CX does, apparently couches form the 80's were more comfortable than today's beds in business class....
sxc
Cathay Pacific Moderator
#28
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: Cathay Pacific, Air Astana
Posts: 102
I like the idea of Lifetime MPC Membership, even though I suspect I'd have some time to go before I got close.
What would be the equivalent requirement on CX if it was benchmarked against BA Lifetime?
What would be the equivalent requirement on CX if it was benchmarked against BA Lifetime?
#29
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX DM, Accor Platinum, Discovery Titanium, Bonvoy Gold, Ultima
Posts: 324
23 years at minimum threshold for BAEC Gold gives you Lifetime. So Cathay could do 20 years at DM for example.
#30
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold
Posts: 15,555
@oldchinahand I think we both agree that CX has made this move to help their business. However the implication from you is that they are doing this on a discretionary basis just because @mdevans is a loyal passenger in the past.
I believe that the motivation is due to negative impact from changes to the Marco Polo Program. If business was booming, and they could see positive incremental value post the program changes, I doubt they would be giving free status to any members. Because if they really wanted to reward years of loyalty, why not have a formal lifetime status program?
I believe that the motivation is due to negative impact from changes to the Marco Polo Program. If business was booming, and they could see positive incremental value post the program changes, I doubt they would be giving free status to any members. Because if they really wanted to reward years of loyalty, why not have a formal lifetime status program?
And they know that long-time members reach semi-retirement or retirement but then they have influence on family travel and money to spend on leisure travel.
Many airlines have lifetime status. Making it public gives a double incentive. First fly more with CX while active to reach that lifetime objective. Second, keep flying CX thereafter to enjoy status benefits. Having a selective policy as illustrated above is interesting but of limited scope. I agree with sxc that making it a public policy might offer greater benefits to CX, and maybe that's the way they will go. On the other hand granting lifetime status to someone who is still a very active business pax has drawbacks. Once lifetime, there is no more incentive to fly exclusively CX to reach status. Pax can easily choose other airlines, when attractive, as they don't need to reach status but will still enjoy benefits on cheap CX Y flights.
PS: AFKL do lifetime for consecutive ten years at Plat level.
Last edited by brunos; Jun 3, 2018 at 6:50 am