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Old May 24, 2018, 4:03 am
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New links:
New redemption engine: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/facade.html
(alternatively https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/book-a-trip/redeem-flights/facade.html for MPO members)
New redemption charts (CX and KA only): https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html
New partner redemption mileage requirement: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/afr.html

Asia Miles changes microsite:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/

New Terms and Conditions:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
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Old Jun 28, 2018, 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by sscywong
But if one doesn't fly the first leg say BKK-HKG in that example, how can (s)he fly the HKG-TPE segment? And as last leg can now only redeem TPE-HKG instead of TPE-HKG-BKK, waste seat should be even less than before...
ticket as a oneway and think creative
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 1:24 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Confirmed your finding on Avios
CX: can access J as standard awards <-- withheld from partner
I see something exactly opposite. Plenty of Y awards on BA but no standard Y on CX, such as 10th July HKG-KIX. Absolutely wide open on all 6 flights on BA but nothing on CX

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Old Jun 29, 2018, 2:14 am
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Could anyone find any F seats between HKG and LHR on BA site? I can't seem to find any even on dates where AM website shows 2 available. Also, I could't find seats in any class on BA site from March 2019 onward.
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 5:12 am
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I had a discussion with a contact at CX two days ago. There is an intentional effort to provide more inventory to Asia Miles / MPC ("superior to partners, which we know has been a nagging issue for years"), while simultaneously making Asia Miles more price competitive on CX metal. So while I don't think the intention is to wipe out partner inventory, at least there is an effort to make Asia Miles have obviously superior inventory.

However, this person is also at the end of a two year rotation so....

Apparently there was fraud /mileage broking going on with BA shorthaul tickets on CX metal. CX seems quite aware of the arbitrage going on at least regards to BA.
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 5:45 am
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Originally Posted by QRC3288
So while I don't think the intention is to wipe out partner inventory, at least there is an effort to make Asia Miles have obviously superior inventory.

Apparently there was fraud /mileage broking going on with BA shorthaul tickets on CX metal. CX seems quite aware of the arbitrage going on at least regards to BA.
So what I am seeing on some close in HKG-KIX Y awards such as 10th July is the exact opposite to what CX is/was trying to do...........
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by marcommm
So what I am seeing on some close in HKG-KIX Y awards such as 10th July is the exact opposite to what CX is/was trying to do...........
Ha!

I think we will need a few months, perhaps even half a year to reach some kind of equilibrium.
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by marcommm
I see something exactly opposite. Plenty of Y awards on BA but no standard Y on CX, such as 10th July HKG-KIX. Absolutely wide open on all 6 flights on BA but nothing on CX
My brain has been wired to not notice Y space and friends dont let friends fly Y.
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by kaka

ticket as a oneway and think creative
Brain stuck... Can't understand....
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 12:10 am
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Originally Posted by QRC3288
So while I don't think the intention is to wipe out partner inventory, at least there is an effort to make Asia Miles have obviously superior inventory.
Just checked on BA for some close in japan short haul and found that the Y inventory has been wiped out.
CX does act quite fast though
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 12:24 am
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Originally Posted by marcommm


Just checked on BA for some close in japan short haul and found that the Y inventory has been wiped out.
CX does act quite fast though
Remember that BA places their own restrictions on CX inventory for flights departing in the next 10 days. This is to reduce fraudulent redemptions. In the past you can get redemptions for close-in departures by contacting BA directly.
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by sxc
Remember that BA places their own restrictions on CX inventory for flights departing in the next 10 days. This is to reduce fraudulent redemptions. In the past you can get redemptions for close-in departures by contacting BA directly.
Oh it has become 10 days now instead of 5 or 7 I forgot. Thanks for your information ^^
But I am pretty sure my observation is not caused by this restriction as there are still 1-2 J seats shown on BA on the same day.

Plus: some other short haul destinations such as TPE seem to be unaffected at the moment.
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 2:46 am
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why is there so much animosity towards restricting partner J /F awards? i remember everyone pracically complained about lack of access for MPC members as partner grabs them... mow everyone complains post enhancement...

i selfom praise CX nor speak fondly of them but i can accept this devaluation if it means i can redeem on flights i want when i want at short notice
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 2:50 am
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@fakecd I'm not seeing animosity. Most posts I see here are just a discussion of the facts.
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by fakecd
i selfom praise CX nor speak fondly of them but i can accept this devaluation if it means i can redeem on flights i want when i want at short notice
I can also accept this devaluation if the availability in ‘Standard’ award is roughly the same as before. However, this does not seem to be the case. Many available seats, even in low season, are only available in ‘Tailored’ awards.

What really annoys me is that availability on CX/KA metal in partners programme does not necessarily translate to ‘Standard’ award availability in Asiamiles. Instead, it translate to ‘Tailored’ award availability only!!! I feel that my loyalty is betrayed.
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Old Jun 30, 2018, 9:30 pm
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How do we book those mixed class awards. Can’t read Chinese and have not found it on any English blogs.
Does that mean something like Syd-Hkg-Lhr in J and then F would cost less than 125k?
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