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Densified 777 10 abreast: Reviews and Experiences

Densified 777 10 abreast: Reviews and Experiences

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SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class

48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.

New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: Long-haul - 12" (up 3"); Regional - 9" (no change)
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding

Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.

Previous discussion on Cathay's decision to densify: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...er-row-44.html
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Old May 25, 19, 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by dddc View Post
Doing UK to Australia, I never got used to the stop in Dubai on EK or QF. It felt the timings were very wrong. HKG, Singapore, Tokyo and Bangkok are my preferred stop over points. They work better with the night/day breaks. I've had less jet lag from those stops than in the ME.
Yeah, that is one of the reasons, I avoid the ME3/THY with their stop-overs. When flying J/F, that middle of the flight/night stop is a very inconvenient and uncomfortable aspect.
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Old May 26, 19, 12:34 am
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finnair is good alternative. a350 and OW alliance and you avoid LHR hell. also you have much less backtrack to do. they offer good connection to australia via gateway cities like SIN, HKG (to an extent) or even BKK perhaps (i wont get a leave pass to BKK unless it was overnight transit , in fact i would ensure economy just for BKK transit haha) to north america JAL is a very real option. these all avoid a 10abrest evil empire.

ME3 was never my thing, but if i had to fly to a very peripheral cities it could be viable options.
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Old May 26, 19, 1:43 am
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Originally Posted by fakecd View Post
finnair is good alternative. a350 and OW alliance and you avoid LHR hell. also you have much less backtrack to do. they offer good connection to australia via gateway cities like SIN, HKG (to an extent) or even BKK perhaps (i wont get a leave pass to BKK unless it was overnight transit , in fact i would ensure economy just for BKK transit haha) to north america JAL is a very real option. these all avoid a 10abrest evil empire.

ME3 was never my thing, but if i had to fly to a very peripheral cities it could be viable options.
I used to enjoy flying JAL and stopping off in Tokyo as it's a fascinating city, but like Finnair, neither fly to Brisbane. JAL used but pulled out. I despise having to fly to Sydney and do the shuffle from International to Domestic terminals and then have to wait a few more hours before arriving in Brisbane. Hence why Cathay is my favourite currently, but while the outbound is fine and I can book A350s all the way, coming back means using the A330 or an even longer wait to make it A350s all the way back. It's about a 17 hour stop over, but after an overnight flight I'm not sure I'd be in the right frame of mind to do a trip into HK.
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Old May 28, 19, 8:44 am
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Realising I was on a 77K (B-KQX), I went to the back to see the new seats and try them out.

Since I was squatting I wasn't allowed much time.

Seat comfort felt good - better than the old TZ and JL domestic iterations I had to endure. Perhaps helped by age of seats.

Didn't really have to touch shoulders with my seat neighbour, who was incredibly petite.

Y was 2/3 full on my SYD-HKG CX100 flight and almost every alternate seat was empty. PE and J were stuffed to the gills since CX162 was cancelled.
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Old May 29, 19, 3:35 am
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BnE is well serviced by QF at fares below those of CX. just avoid QF 787 as their 9 abrest is atkin to CX 777 10 abrest in economy that does service BNE once in a while.

i do agree CX A350 is great bird, saving grace of an otherwise Cathay pathetic. but CX owns too much 777 so odds of ending up with their 10abrest is higher than 350s
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Old Jun 3, 19, 6:23 am
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Most people see the densified plane as an improvement:

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/0...s-improvement/
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Old Jun 3, 19, 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by fakecd View Post
BnE is well serviced by QF at fares below those of CX. just avoid QF 787 as their 9 abrest is atkin to CX 777 10 abrest in economy that does service BNE once in a while.

i do agree CX A350 is great bird, saving grace of an otherwise Cathay pathetic. but CX owns too much 777 so odds of ending up with their 10abrest is higher than 350s
Well that all depends which routes you flying given that many are exclusively or predominantly served by the 350/330. BNE for example. That will only increase over time as the 777 forms a progressively smaller proportion of the fleet.
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Old Jun 3, 19, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by sxc View Post
Most people see the densified plane as an improvement:

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/0...s-improvement/
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Old Jul 7, 19, 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
Didn't really have to touch shoulders with my seat neighbour, who was incredibly petite.
A friend echoed my sentiments. However get a broad-shouldered neighbour and your experience may be different.
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Old Jul 7, 19, 10:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Arbeysix View Post
Well that all depends which routes you flying given that many are exclusively or predominantly served by the 350/330. BNE for example. That will only increase over time as the 777 forms a progressively smaller proportion of the fleet.
CX ordered tons of 777X to replace 777-300ER. A350 is served more to replace current mid-longhaul A330 routes (SYD/MEL/BNE)
Anyway, the default Boeing seat configuration for 777X is 3-4-3, given the marginally wider space.
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Old Jul 7, 19, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by antebellum View Post
Anyway, the default Boeing seat configuration for 777X is 3-4-3, given the marginally wider space.
777X is comparable to 787 and 737 at ~17.6 inches (using CX's way of calculating 77W 3-4-3 as 17.2 inches). 77W 3-4-3 is a league of its own.

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Old Jul 7, 19, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by antebellum View Post
CX ordered tons of 777X to replace 777-300ER. A350 is served more to replace current mid-longhaul A330 routes (SYD/MEL/BNE)
Anyway, the default Boeing seat configuration for 777X is 3-4-3, given the marginally wider space.
Actually, CX has "ordered" 21 777X. The a350 is fundamentally a long-haul aircraft (as witnessed by the fact that it serves CX's current longest route HKG-IAD) albeit that because it is a highly flexible aircraft it is also capable of efficiently operating medium to long routes such as Aus. As for the future market for the 777X and whether operators such as Cathay are likely to order "tons" of them given the economics and increasing payload capacity of the s350 and 787 families, you might want to check out interesting discussions on this topic on other forums such as airliners.net.
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Old Jul 9, 19, 10:23 pm
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Are there underseat boxes on 77K/77A?

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Old Jul 9, 19, 11:59 pm
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CX ordered tons of 777X to replace 777-300ER. A350 is served more to replace current mid-longhaul A330 routes (SYD/MEL/BNE)
The 779s will replace the 77As on what few routes keep first class but the A350s have a longer range capability when full of pax than the 779/77A. Especially with the new +3t option for the A35K and the +3t 359s.
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Old Jul 10, 19, 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
A friend echoed my sentiments. However get a broad-shouldered neighbour and your experience may be different.
Broad-Shouldered neighbor made even HKG to NRT pretty brutal. I can only imagine another 10 hours going on to somewhere like LAX......
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