Rumour: CX to restrict certain lounge access to Marco Polo members
Jan 20, 2018, 4:32 am
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For example, both BA and QR offer at their home base a F lounge for pax with OWE status. It is just inferior to their "premium" lounge for F pax. And in the case of QR even inferior to the lounge reserved for J pax. In other words, there are no F pax in the F lounge at LHR or DOH, only OWE not flying in F.
Jan 20, 2018, 7:28 am
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Indeed.
For example, both BA and QR offer at their home base a F lounge for pax with OWE status. It is just inferior to their "premium" lounge for F pax. And in the case of QR even inferior to the lounge reserved for J pax. In other words, there are no F pax in the F lounge at LHR or DOH, only OWE not flying in F.
For example, both BA and QR offer at their home base a F lounge for pax with OWE status. It is just inferior to their "premium" lounge for F pax. And in the case of QR even inferior to the lounge reserved for J pax. In other words, there are no F pax in the F lounge at LHR or DOH, only OWE not flying in F.
Jan 20, 2018, 7:42 am
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you could call it the F lounge and the diamond lounge (and with an F bp you can only go to the inferior F lounge but say a full fare pax and owes can go to the diamond lounge) hows that?
Jan 20, 2018, 10:00 am
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i think its discussed above. Cx’s F is canabalized by graspers and graabers; yet DM (their home turf owe) has a higher value than those FFlyers. Given that they cannot discriminate their DMs to other OWE, a seperate lounge will not get very far... unless the f flyers go to an inferior lounge (and yes, LX does that at ZRH. The intercon senators (*G) lounge is by far better than business lounge.)
you could call it the F lounge and the diamond lounge (and with an F bp you can only go to the inferior F lounge but say a full fare pax and owes can go to the diamond lounge) hows that?
They have a First lounge, a Senator lounge (for *G) and a Business lounge (for J class and *G).
The Senator is indeed a bit better (not much) than the Business. Fairly easy to move from one to the other once you have entered on the proper side.
But the F lounge is reserved to F pax and HON and it is far superior to the Senator lounge.
Jan 20, 2018, 7:09 pm
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Your description of LX lounges at ZRH is a bit confusing. And I am quite familiar with the setup.
They have a First lounge, a Senator lounge (for *G) and a Business lounge (for J class and *G).
The Senator is indeed a bit better (not much) than the Business. Fairly easy to move from one to the other once you have entered on the proper side.
But the F lounge is reserved to F pax and HON and it is far superior to the Senator lounge.
They have a First lounge, a Senator lounge (for *G) and a Business lounge (for J class and *G).
The Senator is indeed a bit better (not much) than the Business. Fairly easy to move from one to the other once you have entered on the proper side.
But the F lounge is reserved to F pax and HON and it is far superior to the Senator lounge.
so by differentiating, cx can make a better lounge for dm and owe and fare cash F pax, leaving the award F pax using the “F lounge” happy?
Jan 23, 2018, 10:51 am
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I actually did 4 RT HKG-LAX last week. Probably around 80k miles, but then you kinda burn that off in one RT F upgrade On Friday night last, QF F lounge at LAX was doing very strict capacity control. I've heard three JL OWE on CX881 being turned down for entry at around 8pm. The lounge manager told them, at this moment they only welcome QF and BA members, and asked them to come back after 9:40pm. I was there around 9:55pm, so no issue. However, seat for dining was none available, and the waiter told me passenger for 881 to come back after 10:30pm. The only problem was, boarding time was 11:10pm...
Jan 23, 2018, 4:12 pm
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Ha Ha, you won't believe how fast the miles can go I actually did 4 RT HKG-LAX last week. Probably around 80k miles, but then you kinda burn that off in one RT F upgrade
On Friday night last, QF F lounge at LAX was doing very strict capacity control. I've heard three JL OWE on CX881 being turned down for entry at around 8pm. The lounge manager told them, at this moment they only welcome QF and BA members, and asked them to come back after 9:40pm. I was there around 9:55pm, so no issue. However, seat for dining was none available, and the waiter told me passenger for 881 to come back after 10:30pm. The only problem was, boarding time was 11:10pm...
I actually did 4 RT HKG-LAX last week. Probably around 80k miles, but then you kinda burn that off in one RT F upgrade On Friday night last, QF F lounge at LAX was doing very strict capacity control. I've heard three JL OWE on CX881 being turned down for entry at around 8pm. The lounge manager told them, at this moment they only welcome QF and BA members, and asked them to come back after 9:40pm. I was there around 9:55pm, so no issue. However, seat for dining was none available, and the waiter told me passenger for 881 to come back after 10:30pm. The only problem was, boarding time was 11:10pm...
Jan 23, 2018, 5:52 pm
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On Friday night last, QF F lounge at LAX was doing very strict capacity control. I've heard three JL OWE on CX881 being turned down for entry at around 8pm. The lounge manager told them, at this moment they only welcome QF and BA members, and asked them to come back after 9:40pm. I was there around 9:55pm, so no issue. However, seat for dining was none available, and the waiter told me passenger for 881 to come back after 10:30pm. The only problem was, boarding time was 11:10pm...
But it always amazes me how brazen some of the other OW lounge operators are with flaunting the spirit of the rules for lounges people are blatantly entitled to (BA in particular, but also QF), yet I seem to be in the minority to think it's possible for CX to be a little rogue and have a DM/F lounge in HKG?
Fwiw, I had dinner with a former CX senior management yesterday. He's an old friend. Specifically thinking of this thread, I asked if it was possible to have an "Invitation Only" lounge hosted by CX at Hong Kong, in addition to all its other lounges. And CX could invite whomever it wanted. He thought this would be no problem in the context of OW rules.
Jan 23, 2018, 5:54 pm
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i think its discussed above. Cx’s F is canabalized by graspers and graabers; yet DM (their home turf owe) has a higher value than those FFlyers. Given that they cannot discriminate their DMs to other OWE, a seperate lounge will not get very far... unless the f flyers go to an inferior lounge (and yes, LX does that at ZRH. The intercon senators (*G) lounge is by far better than business lounge.)
you could call it the F lounge and the diamond lounge (and with an F bp you can only go to the inferior F lounge but say a full fare pax and owes can go to the diamond lounge) hows that?
I think more than the lounge I'd rather CX give DMs better or advance access to redemptions rather than just opening slots for all alliance and non-alliance partners at the same time.
Jan 23, 2018, 6:27 pm
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Fwiw, I had dinner with a former CX senior management yesterday. He's an old friend. Specifically thinking of this thread, I asked if it was possible to have an "Invitation Only" lounge hosted by CX at Hong Kong, in addition to all its other lounges. And CX could invite whomever it wanted. He thought this would be no problem in the context of OW rules.
That's a really creative way to skirt the OW rules, but it may have the unintended consequence of other OW airlines copying the method and we all end up with crappy outstation lounges since we can't access the 'Invitation-Only' ones.
Jan 23, 2018, 6:55 pm
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But it always amazes me how brazen some of the other OW lounge operators are with flaunting the spirit of the rules for lounges people are blatantly entitled to (BA in particular, but also QF), yet I seem to be in the minority to think it's possible for CX to be a little rogue and have a DM/F lounge in HKG?
However I'm curious because we are not talking about people flying AA from T4. CX has this lounge as its designated Diamond/Emerald/First class lounge in LAX. It sounds like even these people couldn't enter. So where do they go?
Jan 23, 2018, 6:56 pm
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Welcome to 'The Diamond' CX's new Invitation-Only Lounge (how to get an invite? fly CX F in a non-award fare be a or DM/DM+)
That's a really creative way to skirt the OW rules, but it may have the unintended consequence of other OW airlines copying the method and we all end up with crappy outstation lounges since we can't access the 'Invitation-Only' ones.
That's a really creative way to skirt the OW rules, but it may have the unintended consequence of other OW airlines copying the method and we all end up with crappy outstation lounges since we can't access the 'Invitation-Only' ones.
I personally like FlyPointyEnd's recommendation two above this one. CX could really further enhance MPC by just significantly favoring their elites with redemptions. Fwiw, I was looking at British Airways last week, and it appeared that they had zeroed out all J inventory for flights 4-5 days in advance, but CX Asia Miles was showing wide open even the same day. I'm hardly the expert at this thing, is that normal?
Jan 23, 2018, 6:58 pm
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CX blocking award availability when it's close to departure?
Jan 23, 2018, 7:43 pm
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He also said...the problem is known. There are just a.) too many DMs, but b.) DMs are too lucrative of a cohort to discriminate against (by having an F / DM+ only lounge).
I personally like FlyPointyEnd's recommendation two above this one. CX could really further enhance MPC by just significantly favoring their elites with redemptions. Fwiw, I was looking at British Airways last week, and it appeared that they had zeroed out all J inventory for flights 4-5 days in advance, but CX Asia Miles was showing wide open even the same day. I'm hardly the expert at this thing, is that normal?
I personally like FlyPointyEnd's recommendation two above this one. CX could really further enhance MPC by just significantly favoring their elites with redemptions. Fwiw, I was looking at British Airways last week, and it appeared that they had zeroed out all J inventory for flights 4-5 days in advance, but CX Asia Miles was showing wide open even the same day. I'm hardly the expert at this thing, is that normal?
DMs have to face the fact that they're not as special as they think they are. There are many thousands, far too many for CX to create special perks outside of Oneworld. If they take anything outside the alliance it would have to be F only and DM+, or create another level above DM.
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