Should CX have a F and Diamond only lounge?
Aug 27, 2017, 10:02 am
#16
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dont forget partner elites who fly cx in Y. for example i am QF plat but regionally sub 2hr for leisure i purposely fly cheapest econ... bkk flight i pay 2k hkd on N class but if i visit both wing/pier dont CX charge 50 usd x 2 to qanas? plus return segment visit BKK lounge... so nearly 150 usd lounge revenue (almost zero costl for ticket costing 275 usd..)
Aug 28, 2017, 12:06 pm
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dont forget partner elites who fly cx in Y. for example i am QF plat but regionally sub 2hr for leisure i purposely fly cheapest econ... bkk flight i pay 2k hkd on N class but if i visit both wing/pier dont CX charge 50 usd x 2 to qanas? plus return segment visit BKK lounge... so nearly 150 usd lounge revenue (almost zero costl for ticket costing 275 usd..)
At $50 per person that's 800 people. So Cathay is "enslaved" to the $50 lounge "Easy cash" and loses someone like me. I'm sure I'm by far not alone. Say there's only 100 of me, that's 80,000 "easy cash" $50 lounge entrants. Pretty sure they loses more than 100 people similar to my case, and probably more revenue.
So way to go Cathay. Keep thinking that $50 per person is a cash cow, while at the same time losing your loyal revenue stream.
Aug 28, 2017, 7:50 pm
#19
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Just for fun I added up my F/C travel on other airlines that I would of fly Cathay. Comes down to roughly $30,000 USD so far. That is based on cheaper fares offered by other airlines. If Cathay didn't destroy their MPO and say I remain with them, the markup for Cathay is probably 33%, so say $40,000.
At $50 per person that's 800 people. So Cathay is "enslaved" to the $50 lounge "Easy cash" and loses someone like me. I'm sure I'm by far not alone. Say there's only 100 of me, that's 80,000 "easy cash" $50 lounge entrants. Pretty sure they loses more than 100 people similar to my case, and probably more revenue.
So way to go Cathay. Keep thinking that $50 per person is a cash cow, while at the same time losing your loyal revenue stream.
At $50 per person that's 800 people. So Cathay is "enslaved" to the $50 lounge "Easy cash" and loses someone like me. I'm sure I'm by far not alone. Say there's only 100 of me, that's 80,000 "easy cash" $50 lounge entrants. Pretty sure they loses more than 100 people similar to my case, and probably more revenue.
So way to go Cathay. Keep thinking that $50 per person is a cash cow, while at the same time losing your loyal revenue stream.
So you saying you won't go to the F lounge and become a DM because of all the "over crowding" by AA/AS redeemers and OWE elite?
Btw, how are the lounges for *A and Skyteam?
Aug 29, 2017, 1:22 am
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Just for fun I added up my F/C travel on other airlines that I would of fly Cathay. Comes down to roughly $30,000 USD so far. That is based on cheaper fares offered by other airlines. If Cathay didn't destroy their MPO and say I remain with them, the markup for Cathay is probably 33%, so say $40,000.
At $50 per person that's 800 people. So Cathay is "enslaved" to the $50 lounge "Easy cash" and loses someone like me. I'm sure I'm by far not alone. Say there's only 100 of me, that's 80,000 "easy cash" $50 lounge entrants. Pretty sure they loses more than 100 people similar to my case, and probably more revenue.
So way to go Cathay. Keep thinking that $50 per person is a cash cow, while at the same time losing your loyal revenue stream.
At $50 per person that's 800 people. So Cathay is "enslaved" to the $50 lounge "Easy cash" and loses someone like me. I'm sure I'm by far not alone. Say there's only 100 of me, that's 80,000 "easy cash" $50 lounge entrants. Pretty sure they loses more than 100 people similar to my case, and probably more revenue.
So way to go Cathay. Keep thinking that $50 per person is a cash cow, while at the same time losing your loyal revenue stream.
Thanks for your DYKWIA contribution
Aug 29, 2017, 3:22 am
#21
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I am definitely excited for it. First off, CX has a helluva track record with good lounges lately.
Second, maybe MPC is blowing smoke up DMs you know what, but a small group of us were told at an event a few months ago to expect better improvements exclusively for DM, and lounges were mentioned (vaguely) as one of the benefits. I was three glasses of wine deep but Masse said that to three of us together. Each of us complaining about how CX is slipping and competition is good.
Second, maybe MPC is blowing smoke up DMs you know what, but a small group of us were told at an event a few months ago to expect better improvements exclusively for DM, and lounges were mentioned (vaguely) as one of the benefits. I was three glasses of wine deep but Masse said that to three of us together. Each of us complaining about how CX is slipping and competition is good.
Aug 30, 2017, 8:55 am
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Aug 30, 2017, 8:59 am
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I never complain about lounge over crowding. I do complain about Cathay castration of MPO program to save expenses AND lament the fact they think $50 easy cash entrants are a revenue stream, when I'm pointing out that losing long-time loyal Cathay flyers have a bigger negative effect on their bottom-line that they think they are saving by pushing us out.
I have many areas I hope Cathay can improve. Lounge over-crowding is pretty low on my list as I generally uses Pier F and it's rarely overcrowded.
Aug 30, 2017, 7:16 pm
#24
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Less and less people in Flyertalk actually take the time to read what other people are saying and just like to attack strawmans.
I never complain about lounge over crowding. I do complain about Cathay castration of MPO program to save expenses AND lament the fact they think $50 easy cash entrants are a revenue stream, when I'm pointing out that losing long-time loyal Cathay flyers have a bigger negative effect on their bottom-line that they think they are saving by pushing us out.
I have many areas I hope Cathay can improve. Lounge over-crowding is pretty low on my list as I generally uses Pier F and it's rarely overcrowded.
I never complain about lounge over crowding. I do complain about Cathay castration of MPO program to save expenses AND lament the fact they think $50 easy cash entrants are a revenue stream, when I'm pointing out that losing long-time loyal Cathay flyers have a bigger negative effect on their bottom-line that they think they are saving by pushing us out.
I have many areas I hope Cathay can improve. Lounge over-crowding is pretty low on my list as I generally uses Pier F and it's rarely overcrowded.
Sep 1, 2017, 8:01 pm
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Sep 2, 2017, 6:45 am
#27
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I would think so as KA is also technically part of OW (as an affiliate...)...although of course I wish it won't have to.
Or how about if OWEs love Cathay so much, why not just please join MPC instead? Why would Cathay be obliged to treat OWEs so well?
Or how about if OWEs love Cathay so much, why not just please join MPC instead? Why would Cathay be obliged to treat OWEs so well?
Sep 3, 2017, 1:41 am
#28
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if cx dm keep complaining so much, why not ditch cx and go somewhere else lol...
Sep 3, 2017, 4:45 am
#29
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they told us my V class and ad-hoc I/D fares didn't matter so I went away and now come back to use their F lounges!back to topic, I think CX can create a non OW lounge, I donno, call it invitation only lounge and make G16 to be such... You can't refuse OWE if this is a one-world lounge, but if you run a CX only lounge with entry by inviatation to elite CX memebrs I don't see how this affect OW rules. Not exactly the same but SQ has a "Star Alliance GOLD" lounge seperate to their Krisflyer lounge.
Sep 3, 2017, 4:50 am
#30
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back to topic, I think CX can create a non OW lounge, I donno, call it invitation only lounge and make G16 to be such... You can't refuse OWE if this is a one-world lounge, but if you run a CX only lounge with entry by inviatation to elite CX memebrs I don't see how this affect OW rules. Not exactly the same but SQ has a "Star Alliance GOLD" lounge seperate to their Krisflyer lounge.
However, whether they'll actually do it is a whole different story. I'm hopeful...but have realistic expectations of slim to none.