Which flts do crew hate the most?
#17
Join Date: Jul 2016
Programs: CX
Posts: 211
I think they are stilling loving the route only for the time being, since they are new ports lol
I also have one more to add: KUL when it was served by CX due to long turnovers.
Since we are discussing this, is there a list of favourite flights??
I could think of 2 for the time being:
MLE Long patterns in a resort
ZRH "Golden route" highest allowance
I also have one more to add: KUL when it was served by CX due to long turnovers.
Since we are discussing this, is there a list of favourite flights??
I could think of 2 for the time being:
MLE Long patterns in a resort
ZRH "Golden route" highest allowance
#18
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,323
but some senior from a certain country, they'd rather spend time making cockpit coffee and first class steak than sticking up for their team. They come to work with their good'ol day first class lamb carving/YCL champagne flowing mentality giving everyone a hard time. They turn a golden flt into a flt from hell.
#19
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#20
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ORD [formerly] + HKG
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Everyone dreams of getting it but rarely are they able to do so because of the outport based crew.
Honestly, I have mixed feelings about ISMs/crew from this country as some of them can be extremely hospitable and amazing, but sometimes I can clearly see as indicated, how much of an annoyance they are to the rest of the team... and it's not a country specific issue to begin with...some crew from some other countries equally have these kind of problems
Last edited by sxc; Aug 24, 2017 at 7:45 pm
#21
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,797
I don't know cabin crew so much but from what I hear:
Indian flights
Entitled HKers on any route
Big Chinese tour groups (EK crew often cite China as their worst flights)
I know quite a few pilots and they unanimously hate flying into China for the ATC and the other pilots sharing the airspace.
Indian flights
Entitled HKers on any route
Big Chinese tour groups (EK crew often cite China as their worst flights)
I know quite a few pilots and they unanimously hate flying into China for the ATC and the other pilots sharing the airspace.
#22
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: ey class
Posts: 258
Long haul
SFO 870/879 - combination of pax profile (200 AVMLs etc) + 77G + day flight + bad outport hotel
LAX 898/897 - day flight
LHR 239 - day flight, pax drink too much, 77G
YVR 855/856 - hated if 4 day, also because 35G + day flight
CDG - hated because bad hotel / 35G
MAN - hated because 35G and 4 day
MAD/BCN - lowest allowance (200 EUR) if 4-day, in addition 77G + always full load + pax profile
TLV - 4-day + pax profile (KSML) + 35G
Almost all Australia flights - 3 day patterns, no crew rest on 33K, pax drink too much
Short/medium haul
PEK/PVG - self explanatory (delays + too many DMs)
SIN - self explanatory (too many DMs / long hours turnaround = no allowance)
NRT 520/521, CTS 580/581, DPS 785/784 - longest same day turns, but many times done by crew that join the high hours scheme who are okay with that so its actually fine normally
Ex-Japan - pax shop too much, Hong Kongers complain too much
HKG-TPE-ICN/FUK/KIX/NRT/NGO flights - not enough time to finish service, long hours and low allowance, too many pax (773Z 33P etc)
MNL/CEB/CGK - many 'ma fan' IDs
Of course, you can't really see how they 'hate' them when they're on their job, because they have professionalism unlike their American peers.
SFO 870/879 - combination of pax profile (200 AVMLs etc) + 77G + day flight + bad outport hotel
LAX 898/897 - day flight
LHR 239 - day flight, pax drink too much, 77G
YVR 855/856 - hated if 4 day, also because 35G + day flight
CDG - hated because bad hotel / 35G
MAN - hated because 35G and 4 day
MAD/BCN - lowest allowance (200 EUR) if 4-day, in addition 77G + always full load + pax profile
TLV - 4-day + pax profile (KSML) + 35G
Almost all Australia flights - 3 day patterns, no crew rest on 33K, pax drink too much
Short/medium haul
PEK/PVG - self explanatory (delays + too many DMs)
SIN - self explanatory (too many DMs / long hours turnaround = no allowance)
NRT 520/521, CTS 580/581, DPS 785/784 - longest same day turns, but many times done by crew that join the high hours scheme who are okay with that so its actually fine normally
Ex-Japan - pax shop too much, Hong Kongers complain too much
HKG-TPE-ICN/FUK/KIX/NRT/NGO flights - not enough time to finish service, long hours and low allowance, too many pax (773Z 33P etc)
MNL/CEB/CGK - many 'ma fan' IDs
Of course, you can't really see how they 'hate' them when they're on their job, because they have professionalism unlike their American peers.
* all 350 routes;
* all European flights (No $ and minimum days);
* SIN / KUL flights because most of them are "superior" to others;
* China flights because no one knows when their air space are closed;
* JPN flights they like, if it's a long stay i.e. overnight;
* HKG passengers are worse than their mainland counterparts. HKG passengers are always complaining, asking for upgrades, rude. Mainlanders, on the other hand, feed them rice and they're good for most of the flight!; and
* Indian flights
#23
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SYD | HGH
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Agree with most. Let me add a few more / clarify a some points:
* all 350 routes;
* all European flights (No $ and minimum days);
* SIN / KUL flights because most of them are "superior" to others;
* China flights because no one knows when their air space are closed;
* JPN flights they like, if it's a long stay i.e. overnight;
* HKG passengers are worse than their mainland counterparts. HKG passengers are always complaining, asking for upgrades, rude. Mainlanders, on the other hand, feed them rice and they're good for most of the flight!; and
* Indian flights
* all 350 routes;
* all European flights (No $ and minimum days);
* SIN / KUL flights because most of them are "superior" to others;
* China flights because no one knows when their air space are closed;
* JPN flights they like, if it's a long stay i.e. overnight;
* HKG passengers are worse than their mainland counterparts. HKG passengers are always complaining, asking for upgrades, rude. Mainlanders, on the other hand, feed them rice and they're good for most of the flight!; and
* Indian flights
#25
#26
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SYD | HGH
Programs: CX DM, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton DM, Marriott Plat
Posts: 2,121
I just booked my very first CX A359 flight, SIN-BKK return in J and I am really looking forward to it. ... so what should we do?
#27
#28
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: ey class
Posts: 258
The passengers a lot of the time are not the real problem, we can hide behind the curtain in the galley and they'll be gone end of flight. We do 2 fits minimum with the same crew. It's bad teammates that makes the flight bad. There's a saying in Chinese "不怕神一樣的對手,只怕豬一樣的隊友", meaning it's not god-like opponents we need to fear but pig-like teammates it is.
With a good team (aka harmonious BC, supportive FP/SP and an ISM that follow manuals and are up-to-date with guidelines) we can battle it out, but some senior from a certain country, they'd rather spend time making cockpit coffee and first class steak than sticking up for their team. They come to work with their good'ol day first class lamb carving/YCL champagne flowing mentality giving everyone a hard time. They turn a golden flt into a flt from hell.
With a good team (aka harmonious BC, supportive FP/SP and an ISM that follow manuals and are up-to-date with guidelines) we can battle it out, but some senior from a certain country, they'd rather spend time making cockpit coffee and first class steak than sticking up for their team. They come to work with their good'ol day first class lamb carving/YCL champagne flowing mentality giving everyone a hard time. They turn a golden flt into a flt from hell.