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Old May 17, 17, 2:42 pm
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Btw, ure more likely to run into a smoker seatbuddy on JL Than on cx in my experience
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Old May 17, 17, 2:57 pm
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For this route, HKG-TYO, I would use an avios PE award, not business. The 2 times I selected PE on JL, I was upgraded to business. I'm OWE and those flights were regional Asian flights.
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Old May 17, 17, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by headinclouds View Post
For this route, HKG-TYO, I would use an avios PE award, not business. The 2 times I selected PE on JL, I was upgraded to business. I'm OWE and those flights were regional Asian flights.
tho you are high in line to opup to c, hkg tyo vv jal, esp hnd, is hard for opup.
otoh, its rather common on cx.
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Old Jul 18, 17, 11:29 am
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Any thoughts on CX520? The timing works better than the JAL option to hnd later in the day (JL26).

Looks like it's the Long haul A330. Any thoughts or feedback on this flight?
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Old Jul 18, 17, 3:09 pm
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I am sure you will love that seat if you are used to Y on United. But that's not the standard I am use to.
OK, jumping back on here. We flew HND-HKG in the JL SkySuite III(?) - the Cirrus seat being discussed, a few weeks ago. We had windows behind one another. They definitely felt tighter than the AA/CX versions of these seats.

I noticed that one side of the center seats lifted "up" in flat bed mode, and the other side went "down", such that the feet of the two pax in the center would be overlapping in bed mode. The "up" side must be horrific because your feet would be so close to the top of the shoebox.
I'm wondering if this layout (the 3D referred to earlier?) allows them to angle all of the seats more sharply while keeping aisles wide enough, and thus get more seats into the same space. I know that AA uses the Cirrus in 3-class F on its narrowbody A321 transcons, and those, while not tight per se, are somewhat more difficult to get into and out of because of a sharper angle. Perhaps the JL SSIII takes this to another level? That would explain the apparently fewer windows per seat.

Bottom line for me, it wasn't a great version of this seat, although I'd still probably be okay with it as a flat bed as I'm not that big, but it was somewhat tight for relaxing. This was part of a longer F/J ticket, but if I were paying cash, I would think PE would be totally fine for a flight of this length.
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Old Jul 18, 17, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon View Post
OK, jumping back on here. We flew HND-HKG in the JL SkySuite III(?) - the Cirrus seat being discussed, a few weeks ago. We had windows behind one another. They definitely felt tighter than the AA/CX versions of these seats.

I noticed that one side of the center seats lifted "up" in flat bed mode, and the other side went "down", such that the feet of the two pax in the center would be overlapping in bed mode. The "up" side must be horrific because your feet would be so close to the top of the shoebox.
I'm wondering if this layout (the 3D referred to earlier?) allows them to angle all of the seats more sharply while keeping aisles wide enough, and thus get more seats into the same space. I know that AA uses the Cirrus in 3-class F on its narrowbody A321 transcons, and those, while not tight per se, are somewhat more difficult to get into and out of because of a sharper angle. Perhaps the JL SSIII takes this to another level? That would explain the apparently fewer windows per seat.

Bottom line for me, it wasn't a great version of this seat, although I'd still probably be okay with it as a flat bed as I'm not that big, but it was somewhat tight for relaxing. This was part of a longer F/J ticket, but if I were paying cash, I would think PE would be totally fine for a flight of this length.
I tried the middle seat the other day and surprisingly I actually prefer it over the window one because of the extra space in the footwall (my feet no longer need to push against a wall).

Yes, the whole point of this 3D layout is to fit more seats into the cabin.
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Old Jul 18, 17, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon View Post
OK, jumping back on here. We flew HND-HKG in the JL SkySuite III(?) - the Cirrus seat being discussed, a few weeks ago. We had windows behind one another. They definitely felt tighter than the AA/CX versions of these seats.

I noticed that one side of the center seats lifted "up" in flat bed mode, and the other side went "down", such that the feet of the two pax in the center would be overlapping in bed mode. The "up" side must be horrific because your feet would be so close to the top of the shoebox.
I'm wondering if this layout (the 3D referred to earlier?) allows them to angle all of the seats more sharply while keeping aisles wide enough, and thus get more seats into the same space. I know that AA uses the Cirrus in 3-class F on its narrowbody A321 transcons, and those, while not tight per se, are somewhat more difficult to get into and out of because of a sharper angle. Perhaps the JL SSIII takes this to another level? That would explain the apparently fewer windows per seat.

Bottom line for me, it wasn't a great version of this seat, although I'd still probably be okay with it as a flat bed as I'm not that big, but it was somewhat tight for relaxing. This was part of a longer F/J ticket, but if I were paying cash, I would think PE would be totally fine for a flight of this length.
You are slightly more squashed in but there is not much difference, for example Air France fit the same 7 rows of Cirrus seats in between the first two doors of a 772.

The main reason for the 'missing' window is that it is partially covered up by the IFE screen design. It is still there.
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Old Jul 18, 17, 8:39 pm
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You are slightly more squashed in but there is not much difference, for example Air France fit the same 7 rows of Cirrus seats in between the first two doors of a 772.
I'm not entirely sure that's a valid comparison due to placement of galleys and lavatories.
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Old Jul 18, 17, 9:39 pm
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So CX cirrus is better than JL 3D cirrus which is better than AY cirrus?
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Old Jul 18, 17, 9:45 pm
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So CX cirrus is better than JL 3D cirrus which is better than AY cirrus?
Sure, in terms of personal space. But you are comparing a long-haul product (CX) to a regional product (JL).
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Old Jul 18, 17, 9:47 pm
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So JL will only put sky suite 3 product on regional routes? Thought I had read that some planes with Apex were being refitted.
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Old Jul 18, 17, 11:50 pm
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So JL will only put sky suite 3 product on regional routes? Thought I had read that some planes with Apex were being refitted.
More like new deliveries of 787-9 will be fitted with those seats.

So far they are limited to regional flights. Even if they roll this out on long-haul routes eventually, I only expect them to be deployed on lower yield routes like NRT-YVR.

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Old Jul 19, 17, 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by ijgordon View Post
I'm not entirely sure that's a valid comparison due to placement of galleys and lavatories.
Toilet and cupboard v galley and cupboard. There's not a huge amount of difference.
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Old Jul 19, 17, 12:56 am
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Originally Posted by sxc View Post
So JL will only put sky suite 3 product on regional routes? Thought I had read that some planes with Apex were being refitted.
They have announced the whole longhaul fleet is to be refitted with them, starting with the 787-9.
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Old Jul 19, 17, 1:03 am
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Originally Posted by 1010101 View Post
They have announced the whole longhaul fleet is to be refitted with them, starting with the 787-9.
That is incorrect. If your source is AusBT, @djsflynn is wrong on this.

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