Cathay v JAL on 4h30 Flight
May 16, 2017, 12:34 pm
#46
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I love the Cirrus seat. It's a great business class seat. 10-15 years ago it would have been a pretty good first class seat too.
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions, it just means that I can't value the opinion of someone who dislikes something I love. It's nothing personal. Happy to rely on factual information, of course!
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions, it just means that I can't value the opinion of someone who dislikes something I love. It's nothing personal. Happy to rely on factual information, of course!
May 16, 2017, 1:16 pm
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I was physically hurt and had bruises in my elbow and knee after flying the SKY SUITE III to HND.
Also never understand why people would be able to sleep on long-haul flights with that restricted foot well. Do they all bend their knee and sleep on their side? And I am more use to having 2-3 windows in business class. Having only 1 window with Cirrus seat is a downgrade (but an upgrade if you compare to the coffin seat). Cirrus seat gives you enhance privacy but what you give up is personal space. No I am even not talking about just the bed width or length. Everything just feel so tight in that seat, even in the upright position.
If all things equal, I would rather take the angle flat bed on the HKG-TYO route. I don't need a flat bed on a 4 hour flight.
Also never understand why people would be able to sleep on long-haul flights with that restricted foot well. Do they all bend their knee and sleep on their side? And I am more use to having 2-3 windows in business class. Having only 1 window with Cirrus seat is a downgrade (but an upgrade if you compare to the coffin seat). Cirrus seat gives you enhance privacy but what you give up is personal space. No I am even not talking about just the bed width or length. Everything just feel so tight in that seat, even in the upright position.
If all things equal, I would rather take the angle flat bed on the HKG-TYO route. I don't need a flat bed on a 4 hour flight.
Last edited by JALPak; May 16, 2017 at 1:21 pm
May 16, 2017, 3:50 pm
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I was physically hurt and had bruises in my elbow and knee after flying the SKY SUITE III to HND.
Also never understand why people would be able to sleep on long-haul flights with that restricted foot well. Do they all bend their knee and sleep on their side? And I am more use to having 2-3 windows in business class. Having only 1 window with Cirrus seat is a downgrade (but an upgrade if you compare to the coffin seat). Cirrus seat gives you enhance privacy but what you give up is personal space. No I am even not talking about just the bed width or length. Everything just feel so tight in that seat, even in the upright position.
If all things equal, I would rather take the angle flat bed on the HKG-TYO route. I don't need a flat bed on a 4 hour flight.
Also never understand why people would be able to sleep on long-haul flights with that restricted foot well. Do they all bend their knee and sleep on their side? And I am more use to having 2-3 windows in business class. Having only 1 window with Cirrus seat is a downgrade (but an upgrade if you compare to the coffin seat). Cirrus seat gives you enhance privacy but what you give up is personal space. No I am even not talking about just the bed width or length. Everything just feel so tight in that seat, even in the upright position.
If all things equal, I would rather take the angle flat bed on the HKG-TYO route. I don't need a flat bed on a 4 hour flight.
May 16, 2017, 3:54 pm
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I was physically hurt and had bruises in my elbow and knee after flying the SKY SUITE III to HND.
Also never understand why people would be able to sleep on long-haul flights with that restricted foot well. Do they all bend their knee and sleep on their side? And I am more use to having 2-3 windows in business class. Having only 1 window with Cirrus seat is a downgrade (but an upgrade if you compare to the coffin seat). Cirrus seat gives you enhance privacy but what you give up is personal space. No I am even not talking about just the bed width or length. Everything just feel so tight in that seat, even in the upright position.
If all things equal, I would rather take the angle flat bed on the HKG-TYO route. I don't need a flat bed on a 4 hour flight.
Also never understand why people would be able to sleep on long-haul flights with that restricted foot well. Do they all bend their knee and sleep on their side? And I am more use to having 2-3 windows in business class. Having only 1 window with Cirrus seat is a downgrade (but an upgrade if you compare to the coffin seat). Cirrus seat gives you enhance privacy but what you give up is personal space. No I am even not talking about just the bed width or length. Everything just feel so tight in that seat, even in the upright position.
If all things equal, I would rather take the angle flat bed on the HKG-TYO route. I don't need a flat bed on a 4 hour flight.
May 16, 2017, 4:03 pm
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http://adventuresallaround.com/wp-co...ic-750x482.jpg
Sure it's 2-2.5 if you don't use the IFE screen and count the one blocks by side storage
SKY SUITE III is even worse in case for the "foot well" and window access. The IFE screen is at a fix position and it further reduces your foot space in bed mode and window view in seat mode.
May 16, 2017, 4:09 pm
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Here's the restricted foot well I was referring to
http://adventuresallaround.com/wp-co...ic-750x482.jpg
Sure it's 2-2.5 if you don't use the IFE screen and count the one blocks by side storage
SKY SUITE III is even worse in case for the "foot well" and window access. The IFE screen is at a fix position and it further reduces your foot space in bed mode and window view in seat mode.
http://adventuresallaround.com/wp-co...ic-750x482.jpg
Sure it's 2-2.5 if you don't use the IFE screen and count the one blocks by side storage
SKY SUITE III is even worse in case for the "foot well" and window access. The IFE screen is at a fix position and it further reduces your foot space in bed mode and window view in seat mode.
I would suggest flying 10 across on United before complaining about that. This isn't even FWP anymore!
May 16, 2017, 4:49 pm
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I am sure you will love that seat if you are used to Y on United. But that's not the standard I am use to.
May 16, 2017, 4:53 pm
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I'm 6 foot 4, and I don't have an issue with that footwell. Maybe private aviation is more in line with what you're used to
May 16, 2017, 8:25 pm
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It also has the same 2 windows every other Cirrus seat has. I'm beginning to wonder if JALPak has actually flown any of these him/herself...
May 16, 2017, 8:30 pm
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The JAL version has less height but more width in the centre seat footwells. The rest are the same. I'm 6'2 and can almost lift my feet up straight legged without hitting anything.
It also has the same 2 windows every other Cirrus seat has. I'm beginning to wonder if JALPak has actually flown any of these him/herself...
It also has the same 2 windows every other Cirrus seat has. I'm beginning to wonder if JALPak has actually flown any of these him/herself...
May 16, 2017, 9:31 pm
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Here's the restricted foot well I was referring to
http://adventuresallaround.com/wp-co...ic-750x482.jpg
http://adventuresallaround.com/wp-co...ic-750x482.jpg
The main reason why I hate BA J so much is that there's nowhere to put anything, unless you have a 744 upper deck window seat with the side bin. From all the pics I've seen of the SkySuite I (the 2-3-2 on 77W) it looks like an issue there too, but probably not as bad as on BA.
SKY SUITE III is even worse in case for the "foot well" and window access. The IFE screen is at a fix position and it further reduces your foot space in bed mode and window view in seat mode.
May 17, 2017, 2:27 am
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Looks like two windows to me. You lost one of them because you chose a bulkhead. Some CX seats have no windows, that doesn't mean every seat has no windows.
May 17, 2017, 2:40 am
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Looks like you are counting windows that are block from your view. I don't count those.
May 17, 2017, 2:50 am
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One of the things that is KEY for the seat, for me, is all the storage space on the shelf next to the window. It's also why I like the Thompson Vantage seats a lot (I think JL uses them as SkySuite II?).
The main reason why I hate BA J so much is that there's nowhere to put anything, unless you have a 744 upper deck window seat with the side bin. From all the pics I've seen of the SkySuite I (the 2-3-2 on 77W) it looks like an issue there too, but probably not as bad as on BA.
I'm not tall and I don't have big feet (e.g., see my comments about the Thompson Vantage, lol), and this certainly wasn't an issue for me on AA's two versions of the Cirrus (77W and A321 transcon F). My much taller partner didn't complain much either, but we'll see what he says about the JL SSIII.
The main reason why I hate BA J so much is that there's nowhere to put anything, unless you have a 744 upper deck window seat with the side bin. From all the pics I've seen of the SkySuite I (the 2-3-2 on 77W) it looks like an issue there too, but probably not as bad as on BA.
I'm not tall and I don't have big feet (e.g., see my comments about the Thompson Vantage, lol), and this certainly wasn't an issue for me on AA's two versions of the Cirrus (77W and A321 transcon F). My much taller partner didn't complain much either, but we'll see what he says about the JL SSIII.
Those seats has more storage than SKY SUITE III and the touch screen interface is the best among all JL IFE. But SKY SUITE II is even narrower although it has consistent bed length which is a plus.
I actually don't have storage problem with SKY SUITE, even when I am in the window seat. I got room for a camera, an iPhone, a 15" MBP, and my QC25 plus their case. Occasionally JL would deploy SKY SUITE on HND-HKG route and I would take that flight in a heartbeat.