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Credit card Asia Miles earning opportunities (HK) 2017

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Beginner's recommendation (rates quoted before other short term promotions):
(Just one for now) BEA Flyer World Master - 1 mile per $5 for local purchases / overseas purchases; 1 mile per $8 for Octopus AAVS / Bill Payment (Excluding the following categories: Education, Insurance and Tax) (no fee)

Credit Cards that are by Invitation Only or Applied in lieu with an Account:

1. WLB Luxe Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $2.4 for overseas airline / travel / hotel / dining; $4/mile on local airline / travel / hotel / dining ($50/5,000 miles min $50 max $500) (Need to be Wing Lung Private Banking customers)
2. BoC Wealth Management Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $15 for local / overseas / octopus AAVS / bill payment, 1 mile per $5 for overseas spending / local dining, 1 mile per $2.5 for overseas spending / local dining if that month's accumulated spending is over $15000 ($50/5,000 miles min $100 max $300) (Need to be BoC Wealth Management (中銀理財) customer)
3. HSBC Premier World Master for 6X (select one category only below, 1 mile per $4.16. Under this promotion, cap at $100,000), and all other seasonal promotions. ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemption) [to 31 Dec 2017] (Need to be HSBC Premier customer)
4. BoC Enrich World MC - 1 mile per $15 for local / overseas / octopus AAVS / bill payment, 1 mile per $3 for dining/dept store if that month's accumulated spending is over $15000 ($50/5,000 miles min $100 max $300) (Need to be BoC Enrich (智盈理財) customer)
5. HSBC Advance Platinum Visa for 6X (select one category only below, 1 mile per $4.16. Under this promotion, cap at $100,000), and all other seasonal promotions. ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemption) [to 31 Dec 2017] (Need to be HSBC Advance customer)
5. Citibank Ultima card - 1 mile per $4 for local / overseas / octopus (no redemption fee, $23,800 non-waivable annual fee) (Need to be Citigold Private Client customer AND by Invitation only)
6. SCB Priority Banking Visa Infinite - $7.5 per mile for local spending ($15 per mile for Insurance Spending (NOT BILL PAYMENT)) and Octopus, $5 per mile overseas spending ($300 flat redemption fee) (Need to be SCB Priority Banking customer) Note 2
7. BEA Supreme Gold World Master - 1 mile per $5 for local /overseas / Octopus / Bill Payment (Excluding the following categories: Education, Insurance and Tax) (no fee) (Need to be BEA Supreme Gold (顯卓理財) customer) Note 3
8. Shacom World Master - 1 mile per $8 local purchases / overseas / octopus ($10 per 1,000AM min $100 max $500) (Need to be Shacom SMART Banking (慧通理財) customer)
9. CCB HK Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $8 spent for Local Spending / Overseas Spending / Octopus / Bill payment ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100) (Need to be CCB Premier Banking (貴賓理財) / Premier Select (貴賓晉裕) customer)

Full list:

I. Overseas
1. BOC Travel Rewards Visa Signature Card - 8% rebate for each transaction >$500 overseas spending (max $500 per month) (requirement: 1. overseas transaction for that month (any amount per transaction) > $6,000; 2. three times local spending (any amount)) plus 1 mile per $15
2. BoC Wealth Management Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $2.5 for overseas spending / local dining if that month's accumulated spending is over $15000 ($50/5,000 miles min $100 max $300) (Need to be BoC Wealth Management (中銀理財) customer)
3. [to 31 Dec 2018] HSBC (excluding amounts billed in HK and PRC) - 1 mile / $2.78 (HSBC Visa Signature) / $4.16 (other HSBC Credit Cards INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) spent (select Overseas Spending category ONLY) / $6.25 (HSBC Visa Signature) spent (NOT select Overseas Spending category) ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)** ++
4. (if ONLINE / PAYWAVE) CCB HK eye Card - 1 mile / $2.14 (inclusive of 5X online bonus, cap at $50,000 per calender year and (2X extra overseas bonus, cap at $75000 per membership year ) ($50 per 5,000 miles min $100)
5. Citibank Premiermiles (>=$20K per billing cycle) (excluding RMB and MOP) - 1 mile per $3 spent (no redemption fee)** ++ ^
6. [to 31 Dec 2017] DBS Eminent (excluding MOP) - 1 mile per $3.6 spent ($50 fee per 5,000 miles)
7. [to 28 Feb 2018] Fubon Platinum / Titanium - 1 mile per $3.75 spent ($50/5,000AM min $250 max $500) (plus 133 Sure win miles if txn amt >$600)
Note: 1 mile per $0.75 for TWD spendings in Taiwan (max $5,000/month and $10,000/year), and 1 mile per $1.875 for KRW and JPY spendings in Korea and Japan (Seperate registration needed, max $20,000/month, two months per calendar year max)^
8. Amex Plat Charge - 1 mile per $3.75 spent (first $160,000 spending, $5/mile thereafter, $200 flat redemption fee)
9. Citibank Prestige / Premiermiles (<$20K) (excluding RMB and MOP) - 1 mile per $4 spent (no redemption fee, $2,500 non-waivable annual fee for the Prestige)** ++ ^
10. DBS Black World Master (excluding MOP) - 1 mile per $4 spent overseas (no fee)^
11. SCB Asia Miles World Master - 1 mile per $4 spent (automatic conversion)
12. Amex CX Elite - 1 mile per $4 spent (automatic conversion)
13. BEA Flyer World Master / Supreme Gold World Master - 1 mile per $5 (no fee)^
14. CCB HK Platinum Visa / Platinum Master - 1 mile per $5 ($50 per 5,000 miles min $100)
15. SCB Priority Banking Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $5 spent ($300 flat fee redemption)**

^: DO NOT Award points for DCC Transactions

II. Supermarket, dept store, Telecommunications bills on autopay:
1A . [to 31 Dec 2018] HSBC - 1 mile / $2.78 (HSBC Visa Signature)/$4.16 (other HSBC Credit Cards INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) spent# (select Home Spending category ONLY) ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)** ++
1B. [to 31 Dec 2018] HSBC - 1 mile / $2.78 (HSBC Visa Signature)/$4.16 (other HSBC Credit Cards INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) spent# (select Lifestyle Spending category ONLY) ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)** ++
1C. [to 31 Dec 2018] HSBC - 1 mile / $2.78 (HSBC Visa Signature)/$4.16 (other HSBC Credit Cards INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) spent# (select Entertainment Spending category ONLY) ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)** ++
2. Citibank Rewards - 1 mile / $3 spent ($50 fee per 5,000 mile redeemed) (on first $12,500 spending per statement month) Note 2** ++
3. (if ONLINE / PAYWAVE) CCB HK eye Card - 1 mile / $3 (inclusive of 5X online bonus, cap at $75000 per calender year ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100)

III. Dining
1. [to 31 Dec 2018] HSBC - 1 mile / $2.78 (HSBC Visa Signature) / $4.16 (other HSBC Credit Cards INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) spent# (select Dining Spending category ONLY) ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)** ++
1b. [to 31 Dec 2017] HSBC (non-Visa Signature, INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) (select Dining category) - 1 mile / $4.16 ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)** ++
1c. [to 31 Dec 2017] HSBC Visa Signature (did not select Dining category) - 1 mile / $6.25 ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions) ** ++
2. SCB Asia Miles World Master - 1 mile per $4 spent (automatic conversion)
3. BEA Flyer World Master - 1 mile / $5 (no fee)
Note: Restaurants in hotels sometimes are regarded as "Hotel" under V/M classification and thus ineligible for any dining promotions, using CUP can usually (but not always) get around this problem

IV. Travel agents:
** ++1. [to 31 Dec 2018] HSBC - 1 mile / $2.78 (HSBC Visa Signature) / $4.16 (other HSBC Credit Cards INCLUDING HSBC Premier World Master) spent# (select LifeStyle Spending category ONLY)/ $6.25 (HSBC Visa Signature NOT selecting LifeStyle Spending category)($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)
2. CCB HK EYE (if online) - 1 mile per $2.14 spent (First $50,000 only) ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100)
3. Amex Plat Charge - 1 mile per $3.75 spent (first $160,000 spending, $5/mile thereafter, $200 flat redemption fee)

V. Other retail spending
1. [to 14 Mar 18] (if online) CCB HK Premier Banking Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $2.67 spent ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100) (first $12.5K spending ONLINE per month only, else $8 per mile)
2. CCB HK eye Card - 1 mile per $3 ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100) (ONLINE or PAYWAVE Spending ONLY, else $15 per mile)
3. (if online) SCB Asia Miles World Master - 1 mile per $4 spent (automatic conversion) (ONLINE spending ONLY, else $6 per mile)
4. BEA Flyer World Master / BEA Supreme Gold World Master - 1 mile per $5 spent (no fee) Note 3
** 5. SCB WorldMiles AE - 1 mile per $6 spent ($300 flat redemption fee)
** ++ 6. Citibank Prestige - 1 mile per $6 spent (no redemption fee, $2,500 non-waiveable annual fee)
7. Amex CX Elite - 1 mile per $6 spent (automatic conversion)
8. DBS Black World Master - 1 mile per $6 spent (no fee)
9. [to 31 Dec 2017] DBS Eminent - 1 mile per $7.2 spent ($50 fee per 5,000 miles)
10. [to 28 Feb 2018] Fubon Platinum / Titanium - 1 mile per $7.5 spent spending >=$300 on Saturdays and Sundays ($50/5,000AM min $250 max $500) (plus 133 Sure win miles if txn amt >$600 (if NOT ONLINE))
** 11. SCB Priority Banking Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $7.5 spent ($300 flat redemption fee)
** ++ 12. Amex (Gold grade and higher) - 1 mile per $7.5 spent (to $160,000), $200 flat redemption fee). (1 mile per $3 spent for 5x shops and 1 mile per $1.5 spent for 10x shops)
** ++ 13. Citibank Premiermiles - 1 mile per $8 spent (no fee)
13. Shacom World Master / Platinum / Titanium / Diamond UnionPay - 1 mile per $8 spent ($10 per 1,000AM min $100 max $500)

VI. Bill payments (Excluding Tax or any payment to IRD)
VI A. General Bill Payments (EXCLUDING Insurance and Education)
1. BEA Flyer World Master / BEA Supreme Gold World Master - 1 mile per $8 spent on bill payment (Excluding the following categories: Education, Insurance) (no fee) Note 3
2. CCB HK Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $8 spent ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100)
3. CCB HK Platinum Visa / CCB HK Platinum Master / CCB HK Platinum Dual Currency UnionPay - 1 mile per $15 spent (Each Card Membership Year cap at 12 times of credit limit)
4. BoC Wealth Management Visa Infinite/BoC Platinum Visa/BoC Dual Currency Unionpay - 1 mile per $15 spent (Each Card cap at $10,000 per Month) ($50/5,000 miles min $100)
5. [to 31 Dec 2017] HSBC Platinum Visa / Advance Platinum Visa / Premier World Master / Visa Signature / Green Card - 1 mile per $25 spent
VI B. Education Bill Payments
1. CCB HK Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $8 spent ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100)
2. CCB HK Platinum Visa / CCB HK Platinum Master / CCB HK Platinum Dual Currency UnionPay - 1 mile per $15 spent (Each Card Membership Year cap at 12 times of credit limit)
3. BoC Wealth Management Visa Infinite/BoC Platinum Visa/BoC Dual Currency Unionpay - 1 mile per $15 spent (Each Card cap at $10,000 per Month) ($50/5,000 miles min $100)
4. [to 31 Dec 2017] HSBC Platinum Visa / Advance Platinum Visa / Premier World Master / Visa Signature / Green Card - 1 mile per $25 spent
VI C. Insurance Bill Payments
1. CCB HK Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $8 spent ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100)
2. CCB HK Platinum Visa / CCB HK Platinum Master / CCB HK Platinum Dual Currency UnionPay - 1 mile per $15 spent (Each Card Membership Year cap at 12 times of credit limit)
3. BoC Wealth Management Visa Infinite / BoC Platinum Visa & Master / BoC Platinum Dual Currency Unionpay - 1 mile per $15 spent (Each Card cap at $10,000 per Month) ($50/5,000 miles min $100)
4. HSBC Platinum Visa / Advance Platinum Visa / Premier World Master / Visa Signature / Green Card - 1 mile per $25 spent
VI D. Specific bill payment merchants who accept autopay for higher earn rates (by merchant)
1. Towngas autopay - Citi Prestige $6/mile
2. CLP autopay - Citi Prestige $6/mile, BEA $5/AM
3. HKE - DBS Black $6/AM

Note 1: Other issuers in Hong Kong DO NOT award bonus points for bill payment

VII. Octopus Automatic Add-Value
** ++ 1. Citibank Prestige - 1 mile per $6 spent (no redemption fee, $2,500 non-waiveable annual fee)
2. Bankcomm Diamond Dual Currency Card - 1 mile per HK$6 spent for $500 recharges, 1 mile per HK$12 spent for $250 recharges ($100 flat redemption fee)
3. SCB Asia Miles World Master - 1 mile per $6 spent (automatic conversion)
** 4. SCB Priority Banking Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $7.5 spent ($300 flat redemption fee)
5. BEA Flyer World Master / BEA Supreme Gold World Master - 1 mile per $8 spent (no fee) Note 3
6. CCB HK Visa Infinite - 1 mile per $8 spent ($50 per 5,000 miles AM min $100)
** ++ 7. Citibank Premiermiles - 1 mile per $8 spent (no fee)
8. Shacom World Master / Platinum / Titanium / Diamond UnionPay - 1 mile per $8 spent ($10 per 1,000AM min $100 max $500)

VIII. China Unionpay RMB spending

** ++1. [to 31 Dec 2017] HSBC Dual Currency Unionpay card - 1 mile per RMB4.16 spent (select China Spending category ONLY) ($300 fee for a year's worth of redemptions)
2. Bankcomm Diamond Dual Currency Card - 1 mile per RMB6 spent for restaurants or hotels spending >= RMB300, 1 per RMB12 spent other categories ($100 flat redemption fee)
3. Shacom Diamond UnionPay - 1 mile per $8 spent ($10 per 1,000AM min $100 max $500)
4. BoC Dual Currency Unionpay Card - 1 mile per RMB15 spent ($50/5,000 miles min $100)

IX. Electronic wallets
i. Payme https://forum.hongkongcard.com/forum...21076?page=108 #1071
ii. Wechat https://www.facebook.com/notes/%E9%8...93364737574888
iii. Alipay P2P https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post28934293

Note 2:
** can opt for Krisflyer miles in lieu
++ can opt for BAEC AVIOS in lieu
For HSBC, ONLY Premier World Master holders are able to opt for BAEC Avios and KrisFlyer Miles

Note 3:
BEA Supreme Gold World Master cardholders need to register in advance for the "BEA Mileage Reward" scheme during application (Supreme Gold account opening), or else pay $1800 penalty to register thereafter.

HK miles/hotel points earning ability
Refer to here
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Old Jan 23, 17, 6:05 pm
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Hello Percy, sorry it's me again. I'd be going to Japan this CNY and would be spending in excess of $40k. (wife's b-day, so kinda expected).
I'd just like your advice on whether i'm using the correct strategy.

CCB EYE --> $12800 @ $1.69 per mile (Signed up for Travel Club)
HSBC --> $10000 @ 1.79 per mile (VS and x6 to overseas)
Fubon --> $20000 @ $1.88 per mile (will register my 2nd quota for the x8)

Any leftover spending on my wife's supp (HSBS VS @ $2.77 per mile)

Many thanks again!
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Old Jan 23, 17, 6:26 pm
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Yes that's about it
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Old Jan 23, 17, 6:31 pm
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https://www.citibank.com.hk/english/...miles-card.htm under "Card Benefits"



"Effective from Jun 27, 2016, Extra Rewards will be awarded when Citi PremierMiles Cardholder reaches total Eligible Transactions (including both local and overseas transactions) of HK$20,000 or above in one statement cycle, he/she will be awarded 12 Points (1 mile) per HK$3 (or equivalent foreign currency) overseas and online foreign currency transaction posted. If the total Eligible Transactions are below HK$20,000, cardholders can still enjoy 12 Points (1mile) per HK$4 (or equivalent foreign currency) for all eligible overseas and online foreign currency transactions. "
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Old Jan 23, 17, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
https://www.citibank.com.hk/english/...miles-card.htm under "Card Benefits"



"Effective from Jun 27, 2016, Extra Rewards will be awarded when Citi PremierMiles Cardholder reaches total Eligible Transactions (including both local and overseas transactions) of HK$20,000 or above in one statement cycle, he/she will be awarded 12 Points (1 mile) per HK$3 (or equivalent foreign currency) overseas and online foreign currency transaction posted. If the total Eligible Transactions are below HK$20,000, cardholders can still enjoy 12 Points (1mile) per HK$4 (or equivalent foreign currency) for all eligible overseas and online foreign currency transactions. "
Does this mean that if you hit 20k mid month, foreign spend would be back calculated for the bonus points? Or
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Old Jan 23, 17, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Kitaka View Post
Hello Percy, sorry it's me again. I'd be going to Japan this CNY and would be spending in excess of $40k. (wife's b-day, so kinda expected).
I'd just like your advice on whether i'm using the correct strategy.

CCB EYE --> $12800 @ $1.69 per mile (Signed up for Travel Club)
HSBC --> $10000 @ 1.79 per mile (VS and x6 to overseas)
Fubon --> $20000 @ $1.88 per mile (will register my 2nd quota for the x8)

Any leftover spending on my wife's supp (HSBS VS @ $2.77 per mile)

Many thanks again!
I thought for foreign CCB Eye was HKD2.14 per AM and that this is only applicable to online and Paywave spend only.
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Old Jan 23, 17, 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by beach86 View Post
Does this mean that if you hit 20k mid month, foreign spend would be back calculated for the bonus points? Or
Yes
(Once you hit 20,000 (sum of local and foreign) the foreign amount therein earns $3/mile)

Originally Posted by theworld View Post
I thought for foreign CCB Eye was HKD2.14 per AM and that this is only applicable to online and Paywave spend only.
I assume by mentioning 12,800 he is a selected customer for 939 (third phase ending 14 Feb)
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Old Jan 23, 17, 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
Yes
(Once you hit 20,000 (sum of local and foreign) the foreign amount therein earns $3/mile)



I assume by mentioning 12,800 he is a selected customer for 939 (third phase ending 14 Feb)
Ah OK understood. I need to figure out that 939 business (and yes, I think you have messaged me before about it, just need to refresh my memory).
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Old Jan 23, 17, 10:47 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
Yes
(Once you hit 20,000 (sum of local and foreign) the foreign amount therein earns $3/mile)
Online overseas tranx also count for Citi PM?
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Old Jan 23, 17, 10:54 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
https://www.redhotoffers.hsbc.com.hk...nding-rewards/

Again
Promo rate (6X): $4.16/AM
Promo with Visa Signature (9X): $2.77/AM
Promo with Visa Signature and Rewards of Your Choice 6X (14X): $1.79/AM

Divide the rates by 1.5 for Avios

Capped at 200 extra RC means spending cap of $10,000
Does spending in Macau counts?
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Old Jan 24, 17, 12:29 am
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Originally Posted by bmtsang View Post
Does spending in Macau counts?
Really all you have to do is click on the link percysmith provided and the answer is right there in front of you:
Spending made in Mainland China is excluded, but spending made in Macau is included.
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Old Jan 24, 17, 11:21 pm
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BEA overseas spend $0.89/AM 27/1-3/2

https://www.hkbea.com/html/en/bea-cr...festive9X.html

Max 25,000 extra points so max spend $3,378
Spends must be >=$500 and online/phone/mail not count
Registration required on above website
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Old Jan 25, 17, 1:05 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
https://www.hkbea.com/html/en/bea-cr...festive9X.html

Max 25,000 extra points so max spend $3,378
Spends must be >=$500 and online/phone/mail not count
Registration required on above website
percysmith, the max spend of $3,378 for BEA Flyer. For non BEA Flyer AM accruable card, max spend should be $3,125 ... if my math is correct...
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Old Jan 25, 17, 4:35 am
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Originally Posted by rhleung View Post
percysmith, the max spend of $3,378 for BEA Flyer. For non BEA Flyer AM accruable card, max spend should be $3,125 ... if my math is correct...
Correct
But this is Flyertalk. The $3,125 figure is OT
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Old Jan 26, 17, 4:27 am
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percysmith, the max spend of $3,378 for BEA Flyer. For non BEA Flyer AM accruable card, max spend should be $3,125 ... if my math is correct...
What's 9x equal to in $ spent per AM again?
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Old Jan 26, 17, 7:38 am
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What's 9x equal to in $ spent per AM again?
$0.89/AM 27/1-3/2 as per the headline percysmith put out!
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