Turning around in CMB? (CX611/610)
#46
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Anywhere
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Anyone knows if the self printed boarding pass is acceptable at CMB gate?
#47
Join Date: Oct 2012
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#48
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: CX Diamond / OWE
Posts: 277
I plan to do a turnaround at CMB but with one day at CMB for a bit of R&R. I will be taking CX611 from HKG arriving CMB at 11:45pm on a Tuesday, and then taking CX 610 one day later, i.e. Thursday early morning at 12:55am. What I would like to ask is if upon arriving at CMB, can I check my luggage for CX 610?
#49
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: New York
Posts: 7,315
I plan to do a turnaround at CMB but with one day at CMB for a bit of R&R. I will be taking CX611 from HKG arriving CMB at 11:45pm on a Tuesday, and then taking CX 610 one day later, i.e. Thursday early morning at 12:55am. What I would like to ask is if upon arriving at CMB, can I check my luggage for CX 610?
I don't even know if there is storage facilities at CMB! Maybe it is better if you just store your bags in Hong Kong and then check in the bags from HKG upon your arrival from CMB. Of course if your layover in HK is too short, you just have to carry your suitcases with you during your one day R&R at CMB!
Carfield
#50
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: CX Diamond / OWE
Posts: 277
Definitely No... The check in area is heavily guarded and they only allow you in when check in for your flight is opened.
I don't even know if there is storage facilities at CMB! Maybe it is better if you just store your bags in Hong Kong and then check in the bags from HKG upon your arrival from CMB. Of course if your layover in HK is too short, you just have to carry your suitcases with you during your one day R&R at CMB!
Carfield
I don't even know if there is storage facilities at CMB! Maybe it is better if you just store your bags in Hong Kong and then check in the bags from HKG upon your arrival from CMB. Of course if your layover in HK is too short, you just have to carry your suitcases with you during your one day R&R at CMB!
Carfield
#51
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: BA(GGL) QF LTS CX AM, Hilton Diamond, PPL(A)
Posts: 1,654
Another data point from CMB turnaround the other day:-
lady at HKG airport express counter did not want to print return ticket - tried to but said there was a system error as turnaround time was 1:15 whereas MCT at CMB is 1:30.
tried again at the airport F counters - staff there were helpful in that they helped me at the end. but they were initially concerned at what was now going to be a 40min official turnaround due to the weather delays, and conferred with a supervisor over to check with me if i needed to request ground asisstance on arrival (which i declined as this was 100pc not needed at CMB airport! Just give me my BP and I'll be just fine!).
for some reason i could not print a CMB OLCI BP (if that was even available).
lady at HKG airport express counter did not want to print return ticket - tried to but said there was a system error as turnaround time was 1:15 whereas MCT at CMB is 1:30.
tried again at the airport F counters - staff there were helpful in that they helped me at the end. but they were initially concerned at what was now going to be a 40min official turnaround due to the weather delays, and conferred with a supervisor over to check with me if i needed to request ground asisstance on arrival (which i declined as this was 100pc not needed at CMB airport! Just give me my BP and I'll be just fine!).
for some reason i could not print a CMB OLCI BP (if that was even available).
#52
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: BA(GGL) QF LTS CX AM, Hilton Diamond, PPL(A)
Posts: 1,654
horrible horrible attack but good to know the flight crew are all accounted for!
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3007060/hong-kong-tour-groups-safe-sri-lanka-after-bombings-kill-137
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3007060/hong-kong-tour-groups-safe-sri-lanka-after-bombings-kill-137
#53
Join Date: Dec 2018
Programs: Marco Polo Club Diamond
Posts: 10
horrible horrible attack but good to know the flight crew are all accounted for!
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...bings-kill-137
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...bings-kill-137
Also, Cathay has reduced the number of flights to 3 a week (Tues, Thurs and Sat to CMB), presumably as fewer people are flying there. I had scheduled a flight on a Friday and it got moved to the next day.
#54
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: CX Diamond / OWE
Posts: 277
Yes, this has been absolutely terrible. I wanted to ask whether anyone has done a turnaround since the terrorist attacks and whether there has been any added security in addition to the usual screening at the gates.
Also, Cathay has reduced the number of flights to 3 a week (Tues, Thurs and Sat to CMB), presumably as fewer people are flying there. I had scheduled a flight on a Friday and it got moved to the next day.
#55
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: HKG
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Posts: 1,654
o dear! this is going to be tough on the crew!
how on earth do you operate a CMB turnaround as crew on a a330 (without crew rest?)
(source CX secrets)
#10026
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The rubbish management must be very thankful to this terrorist attack at cmb. Changing the pattern to turnaround ""until further notice""?
Management please use your bonus on your medication
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how on earth do you operate a CMB turnaround as crew on a a330 (without crew rest?)
(source CX secrets)
#10026
"關心crew安危?你想cut cost大家都知架啦,到而家仲唔肯轉返cmb做3 days,呢單恐襲班垃圾高層一定好開心。病向淺中醫,希望你地用d bonus嚟睇醫生。
The rubbish management must be very thankful to this terrorist attack at cmb. Changing the pattern to turnaround ""until further notice""?
Management please use your bonus on your medication
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#56
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
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I'm not actually sure how this is possible, given the crew duty limits and rest hours required. Duty period starts at 7:10pm for briefing, and would end at 9:05am (landing +30 minutes), implying a 14 hour period. I assume the period at CMB would be classified the same as the rest period in "split duty" is classified and ground hours accrued. Anyway, I know long-hauls are permissable with the caveat that rest periods of 3 hours are required over X length, and 4 hours required over Y length. I can't recall what those are.
So, here's what I suspect will happen: The crew will be split in two, and half will "rest" during the way down after meal service, and the other half will "rest" during the return after meal service. It will really reduce manpower post meal service, although in reality they don't do much then anyway. Still, not an ideal solution.
It either has to be what I'm proposing above, or there could be something I'm overlooking. Since this isn't a continuous flying hour pattern, similar to say a TPE or MNL split duty? (late night departure, 5-6 hours on the ground which is classified as ground hours and a hotel room is granted, followed by an early morning departure. Duty hours for split duty are in the ~9-12 hour range.) The difference with TPE and MNL, though is the flying hours are minimal and they don't hit any of the regs requirements for mandatory rest. Whereas CMB has around ~10 hours maybe more of flying hours in the pattern. 14 hours would be the most extreme split duty I've seen, plus there are far more flying hours to CMB and far fewer ground hours. Anyone know the regs precisely?
I'm certain about the 3 hour rest requirement, and 4 hour requirement for long-hauls. I just can't recall what are the underlying working criteria that must be hit for those to be needed.
I'm sure it's aggressive even if allowed, and there won't be much if any margin for error. Unless CX is to operate out of compliance. But I think my guess above about half the crew resting one way and the other the other way, is most likely. I think the high # of flying hours demands a rest period of at least 3 hours. This would be achievable half on the inbound, half on the outbound if they go to rest immediately after meal service.
Can't begrudge CX for doing it though. It is simply not palatable to send 10-20 employees every day to one of the 5 star hotels in CMB right now. CX may be cost cutting but they are safe and not a bad company, and I imagine they will revert to "normalcy" at some point later on.
So, here's what I suspect will happen: The crew will be split in two, and half will "rest" during the way down after meal service, and the other half will "rest" during the return after meal service. It will really reduce manpower post meal service, although in reality they don't do much then anyway. Still, not an ideal solution.
It either has to be what I'm proposing above, or there could be something I'm overlooking. Since this isn't a continuous flying hour pattern, similar to say a TPE or MNL split duty? (late night departure, 5-6 hours on the ground which is classified as ground hours and a hotel room is granted, followed by an early morning departure. Duty hours for split duty are in the ~9-12 hour range.) The difference with TPE and MNL, though is the flying hours are minimal and they don't hit any of the regs requirements for mandatory rest. Whereas CMB has around ~10 hours maybe more of flying hours in the pattern. 14 hours would be the most extreme split duty I've seen, plus there are far more flying hours to CMB and far fewer ground hours. Anyone know the regs precisely?
I'm certain about the 3 hour rest requirement, and 4 hour requirement for long-hauls. I just can't recall what are the underlying working criteria that must be hit for those to be needed.
I'm sure it's aggressive even if allowed, and there won't be much if any margin for error. Unless CX is to operate out of compliance. But I think my guess above about half the crew resting one way and the other the other way, is most likely. I think the high # of flying hours demands a rest period of at least 3 hours. This would be achievable half on the inbound, half on the outbound if they go to rest immediately after meal service.
Can't begrudge CX for doing it though. It is simply not palatable to send 10-20 employees every day to one of the 5 star hotels in CMB right now. CX may be cost cutting but they are safe and not a bad company, and I imagine they will revert to "normalcy" at some point later on.
Last edited by QRC3288; May 7, 2019 at 1:01 am
#57
Join Date: Oct 2012
Programs: CX - DM; Hilton - Diamond, Marriott - Titanium
Posts: 542
I'm not actually sure how this is possible, given the crew duty limits and rest hours required. Duty period starts at 7:10pm for briefing, and would end at 9:05am (landing +30 minutes), implying a 14 hour period. I assume the period at CMB would be classified the same as the rest period in "split duty" is classified and ground hours accrued. Anyway, I know long-hauls are permissable with the caveat that rest periods of 3 hours are required over X length, and 4 hours required over Y length. I can't recall what those are.
So, here's what I suspect will happen: The crew will be split in two, and half will "rest" during the way down after meal service, and the other half will "rest" during the return after meal service. It will really reduce manpower post meal service, although in reality they don't do much then anyway. Still, not an ideal solution.
It either has to be what I'm proposing above, or there could be something I'm overlooking. Since this isn't a continuous flying hour pattern, similar to say a TPE or MNL split duty? (late night departure, 5-6 hours on the ground which is classified as ground hours and a hotel room is granted, followed by an early morning departure. Duty hours for split duty are in the ~9-12 hour range.) The difference with TPE and MNL, though is the flying hours are minimal and they don't hit any of the regs requirements for mandatory rest. Whereas CMB has around ~10 hours maybe more of flying hours in the pattern. 14 hours would be the most extreme split duty I've seen, plus there are far more flying hours to CMB and far fewer ground hours. Anyone know the regs precisely?
I'm certain about the 3 hour rest requirement, and 4 hour requirement for long-hauls. I just can't recall what are the underlying working criteria that must be hit for those to be needed.
I'm sure it's aggressive even if allowed, and there won't be much if any margin for error. Unless CX is to operate out of compliance. But I think my guess above about half the crew resting one way and the other the other way, is most likely. I think the high # of flying hours demands a rest period of at least 3 hours. This would be achievable half on the inbound, half on the outbound if they go to rest immediately after meal service.
Can't begrudge CX for doing it though. It is simply not palatable to send 10-20 employees every day to one of the 5 star hotels in CMB right now. CX may be cost cutting but they are safe and not a bad company, and I imagine they will revert to "normalcy" at some point later on.
So, here's what I suspect will happen: The crew will be split in two, and half will "rest" during the way down after meal service, and the other half will "rest" during the return after meal service. It will really reduce manpower post meal service, although in reality they don't do much then anyway. Still, not an ideal solution.
It either has to be what I'm proposing above, or there could be something I'm overlooking. Since this isn't a continuous flying hour pattern, similar to say a TPE or MNL split duty? (late night departure, 5-6 hours on the ground which is classified as ground hours and a hotel room is granted, followed by an early morning departure. Duty hours for split duty are in the ~9-12 hour range.) The difference with TPE and MNL, though is the flying hours are minimal and they don't hit any of the regs requirements for mandatory rest. Whereas CMB has around ~10 hours maybe more of flying hours in the pattern. 14 hours would be the most extreme split duty I've seen, plus there are far more flying hours to CMB and far fewer ground hours. Anyone know the regs precisely?
I'm certain about the 3 hour rest requirement, and 4 hour requirement for long-hauls. I just can't recall what are the underlying working criteria that must be hit for those to be needed.
I'm sure it's aggressive even if allowed, and there won't be much if any margin for error. Unless CX is to operate out of compliance. But I think my guess above about half the crew resting one way and the other the other way, is most likely. I think the high # of flying hours demands a rest period of at least 3 hours. This would be achievable half on the inbound, half on the outbound if they go to rest immediately after meal service.
Can't begrudge CX for doing it though. It is simply not palatable to send 10-20 employees every day to one of the 5 star hotels in CMB right now. CX may be cost cutting but they are safe and not a bad company, and I imagine they will revert to "normalcy" at some point later on.
#59
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: CX Diamond / OWE
Posts: 277
I just did the CMB turnaround last night/ this morning, and can confirm that there is a second set of crew. They don't appear until halfway though the inbound flight CX 610 (CMB to HKG). The SP in the first set of crew came over to me to say goodbye just as CX610 was landing in HK. She did say that she only had 2.5 hours of sleep!
It made me feel bad for the first set of crew... especially compared to how much easier it is for the second set of crew? That said, J class on both legs were about 70% full so it wasn't full-on. I guess the recent bombings did affect tourism to Sri Lanka.
On another data point - I was unable to get my inbound flight BP printed out when I checked-in at HKIA. Staff said that the system wasn't allowing her to print it. So when I got off at CMB I went straight to the Transit Desk and after waiting for 10 mins they got me my BP. It was easy enough, although still not as efficient as getting my BP in HK. So far it has been a mixed bag - sometimes being able to get BP in HK, sometimes not.
It made me feel bad for the first set of crew... especially compared to how much easier it is for the second set of crew? That said, J class on both legs were about 70% full so it wasn't full-on. I guess the recent bombings did affect tourism to Sri Lanka.
On another data point - I was unable to get my inbound flight BP printed out when I checked-in at HKIA. Staff said that the system wasn't allowing her to print it. So when I got off at CMB I went straight to the Transit Desk and after waiting for 10 mins they got me my BP. It was easy enough, although still not as efficient as getting my BP in HK. So far it has been a mixed bag - sometimes being able to get BP in HK, sometimes not.
#60
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 481
isnt the flight only 5-6hours? So the first set of crew still managed 2.5 hours? Thats pretty good and they get to rest from cmb-hkg?
how is the 2nd set crew easier?