Oct 2, 2016, 3:40 pm
Last edit by: SinoBritAsia
Confirmed:
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?
May 3, 2018, 11:55 am
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May 3, 2018, 5:16 pm
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Passsengers did not reward CX for sticking to 3-4-3
They rewarded the other 3-4-3 airlines
it is clear that the majority of the passengers prefer 3-4-3
as for research
AA is raking in the profits and CX is dying....
check your research
May 3, 2018, 5:39 pm
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They probably don't feel comfy, it is literally impossible to feel comfy in an Emirates 77W in economy, but by the time they get to their next ticket, the price is attractive and they have forgotten the pain of the seat.
May 3, 2018, 6:34 pm
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May 3, 2018, 6:43 pm
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I once did a two hour Y stint from DXB to RUH on an Emirates 77W, I don't even know how anyone would be able to sit there for a 12 hour flight. I have never been this cramped. And I am not a big guy. I don't understand why people book that seat a second time.
May 3, 2018, 7:20 pm
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I doubt people actually prefer 3-4-3. Mostly they are ignorant of the product they are getting And by now it is getting difficult to find an airline with 3-3-3 on 777.
They probably don't feel comfy, it is literally impossible to feel comfy in an Emirates 77W in economy, but by the time they get to their next ticket, the price is attractive and they have forgotten the pain of the seat.
They probably don't feel comfy, it is literally impossible to feel comfy in an Emirates 77W in economy, but by the time they get to their next ticket, the price is attractive and they have forgotten the pain of the seat.
anecdotal I know
I know more people who would go out of their way too book EK Y over CX Y
can't blame CX for this one, passengers voted with their feet to be treated worse and squashed.
May 3, 2018, 7:38 pm
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May 3, 2018, 8:00 pm
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May 3, 2018, 8:01 pm
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May 3, 2018, 8:02 pm
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I decided to price one.
Using the cheapest pair of dates I can fly HKG-LHR-HKG via Skyscanner (being 25/7-27/8)
VS HK$7,495
BA HK$7,742
CX all flights, incl CX238/256 in 77K: HK$8,905
Just to make sure it's not a reciprocated outport advantage, I flipped the search
Cheapest 30/7-28/8
BA £748
VS £792
CX all flights incl CX256/CX238 pair: £823
I don't see any reward being offered for taking the pain
In fact, I don't see CX pricing any more aggressively for being an outport airline or the largest supplier on the route (of direct services). Maybe I'm outside the GFW and/or not searching 广之旅 in my search.
Using the cheapest pair of dates I can fly HKG-LHR-HKG via Skyscanner (being 25/7-27/8)
VS HK$7,495
BA HK$7,742
CX all flights, incl CX238/256 in 77K: HK$8,905
Just to make sure it's not a reciprocated outport advantage, I flipped the search
Cheapest 30/7-28/8
BA £748
VS £792
CX all flights incl CX256/CX238 pair: £823
I don't see any reward being offered for taking the pain
In fact, I don't see CX pricing any more aggressively for being an outport airline or the largest supplier on the route (of direct services). Maybe I'm outside the GFW and/or not searching 广之旅 in my search.
Last edited by percysmith; May 4, 2018 at 2:04 am
May 3, 2018, 8:23 pm
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Recalling my experience of discussing leisure flight options for my friends and relatives, I think price is indeed the most concerned, and little did we talked about 9- or 10-abreast probably because we kind of assumed the seat would be fine to fit. Or maybe we actually didn't quite care. Except old hard shells which we complain it being hard but haven't talked about its width. LCC seats we discussed legroom and maybe hardness but not on width either.
From Wikipedia 777X has just ~5 more inches of cabin space than 777, rated 18 inch seat in 3-4-3 (corridors would still be narrow anyway) and that 5 inches shouldn't be enough for an 11th seat.
May 3, 2018, 8:35 pm
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I took a hard shell seat flight recently - first time in a long time. And I realised I actually miss them. Although the padding is hard, the amount of legroom and width is actually unbeatable.
May 3, 2018, 8:55 pm
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.Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.