Oct 2, 2016, 3:40 pm
Last edit by: SinoBritAsia
Confirmed:
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?
Apr 16, 2018, 7:25 am
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I have deleted some posts which took this thread off topic. Please keep to the topic of the new seating.
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Apr 16, 2018, 8:06 am
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I believe more low fare tickets will be available for ex HKG in the future. (provided that HX and UO are not controlled by CX)
Apr 16, 2018, 8:48 pm
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Apr 16, 2018, 11:09 pm
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Anyways, Considered that CX rather give space to non-humans over us, and that UO HX would be bankrupt because of their mismanagement; i would prefer to have filled up the belly and PY than to give the slots to some inept (mismangaged) airlines that fly between hong kong and places no human wants to go.
eitehr way, VS and BA has a more comfy seat yet on CX you're less likely to get seatpoached because CX would reserve seats for status members.... unless you book last minute then maybe you'd be given crappy service and get shouted at because the crew doesnt know you're an elite.
Apr 16, 2018, 11:15 pm
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A 3-3-3 is definitely more comfortable than a 3-4-3 even if seat widths are identical for the simple reason there is one less passenger to share in the seat wall space.
I was on a 737 last weekend where the window passenger was against my shoulder when sitting straight but not touching me when napping against the seat wall.
I was on a 737 last weekend where the window passenger was against my shoulder when sitting straight but not touching me when napping against the seat wall.
however, that has nothing to do with 10-across seating.
Apr 17, 2018, 4:43 am
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I have deleted some more posts which are neither on topic for this thread and not on topic for this forum.
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Apr 18, 2018, 9:34 pm
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It's going to be a big operational problem, seat reservation-wise. The best way to avoid this is to fly these reconfigured birds on specific routes.
Apr 21, 2018, 9:33 pm
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Per an older CX Secret post, no because "the workload for both side is now balanced"... So the thinking of CX management is in 3-3-3 crew on one side is leisure-r than the other side so making it 3-4-3 is "fair-er" to the crew in general....
Apr 21, 2018, 10:18 pm
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Apr 22, 2018, 7:17 am
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But a CX Secrets post in the last hour confirmed the same: [code]https://www.facebook.com/cxsecret/posts/1712964762115090
Last edited by percysmith; Apr 22, 2018 at 8:36 am
Apr 22, 2018, 8:55 pm
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Couldnt they hv split the workload by half a cabin or sth? Lol
What a lame excuse
Apr 24, 2018, 10:36 pm
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Some more photos of the new seats and how snug they are in the real world
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...ing-777-cabin/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...ing-777-cabin/
I'm still getting a lot of differences between reported widths, so I'm going to work out seat width from cabin width directly.
Assumptions for all aircraft:
Aisles = 16in, regulatory minima
Armrests = 2in and are counted even on the sides (e.g. aisles or window also count)
Distance between window seat and cabin side wall = 1.5in
So for 77W in 10-abreast, cabin width = 231in, take away two side walls, two aisles and 13 armrests = 170, divide by 10 to get 17.0in
Remaining calculations
I don't think anyone actually has a 19.5" A350, 19.11" 77W@9 or 18.4" A330 seat width, because the aisles will be wider for everyones' convenience.
But that's the whole point of my exercise - start with cabin width and cabin width alone, and assume everything else is the same across different aircraft. Finally an apples vs apples comparison.
Assumptions for all aircraft:
Aisles = 16in, regulatory minima
Armrests = 2in and are counted even on the sides (e.g. aisles or window also count)
Distance between window seat and cabin side wall = 1.5in
So for 77W in 10-abreast, cabin width = 231in, take away two side walls, two aisles and 13 armrests = 170, divide by 10 to get 17.0in
Remaining calculations
I don't think anyone actually has a 19.5" A350, 19.11" 77W@9 or 18.4" A330 seat width, because the aisles will be wider for everyones' convenience.
But that's the whole point of my exercise - start with cabin width and cabin width alone, and assume everything else is the same across different aircraft. Finally an apples vs apples comparison.
Recalculate to get 17.2" seats:
Again if A380s and 777 9-abreast were built with identical armrests and aisles, seat width increases from 19.5 to 19.69 and 19.11 to 19.29 respectively
Or put it this way - if a 777 10-abreast is 17.2 inches as marketed, then A380 will have 2.5 inches more and 777 9-abreast will have 2.1 inches more respectively.
Apr 28, 2018, 11:26 am
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Apr 28, 2018, 6:47 pm
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Flew recently from KIX to TPE on CX in economy and hugely regretted not booking business. 10 seats/row arrangement is horrible. Previously I enjoyed their economy, seats were convenient and I could easily sleep. New seats do not allow to adjust yourself in any comfortable way. It reminded me flying AirAsia or Cebu Pacific, it was that bad. Gonna avoid CX as much as possible from now, unless I book business.
would love to know who your alternatives are