Oct 2, 2016, 3:40 pm
Last edit by: SinoBritAsia
Confirmed:
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?
Apr 11, 2018, 2:03 am
#556
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,421
Maybe it's just my anatomy, but nothing CX can do in front (entertainment, legroom) or behind (seat padding) can really ameliorate the damage done when my sides are squeezed.
It also depends on seat neighbour. If I can get aisle and line up the missus next to me then I'm good. But all it takes is one middle seat and an overweight C9 in the aisle to ruin my flight.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25636483-post56.html
It also depends on seat neighbour. If I can get aisle and line up the missus next to me then I'm good. But all it takes is one middle seat and an overweight C9 in the aisle to ruin my flight.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25636483-post56.html
this should please u
Apr 11, 2018, 2:14 am
#557
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 259
aside from all the on-plane complaints, imagine the addt'l crowds crushing gate-side. And I reckon it'll take an incremental X minutes more to board, given the addt'l passengers, and incremental Y time longer to deplane, and get baggage offloaded.
Apr 11, 2018, 2:31 am
#558
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
Compared to 31"?
The number of rows is the same, and the existing planes have not been magically stretched. So extra legroom came from padding.
KLM made the same dubious claim when they pushed out 3-4-3 https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2014/1...o-matter-spin/
The number of rows is the same, and the existing planes have not been magically stretched. So extra legroom came from padding.
KLM made the same dubious claim when they pushed out 3-4-3 https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2014/1...o-matter-spin/
The 31" is vs other carriers such as BA
Apr 11, 2018, 3:32 am
#559
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: AAdvantage Asia Miles Air China
Posts: 870
My understanding was the 10 Abreast was for 777s flying regionally. In the article it states " Around six planes will have the extra seats before the end of the summer while refitting of its fleet of 65 Boeing 777s will be completed by the end of next year."
This implies the long haul fleet will be going 10 abreast as well.
This implies the long haul fleet will be going 10 abreast as well.
Last edited by Nicc HK; Apr 11, 2018 at 3:33 am Reason: Adding a full stop
Apr 11, 2018, 4:04 am
#560
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX, UA, Shangri-La, Hyatt, Starwood
Posts: 7,708
My understanding was the 10 Abreast was for 777s flying regionally. In the article it states " Around six planes will have the extra seats before the end of the summer while refitting of its fleet of 65 Boeing 777s will be completed by the end of next year."
This implies the long haul fleet will be going 10 abreast as well.
This implies the long haul fleet will be going 10 abreast as well.
Apr 11, 2018, 4:42 am
#561
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A350 seat is 18 inches though.
Apr 11, 2018, 5:40 am
#562
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,795
Could be just an AC Rouge - same price for inferior product to ex-HKG
And then sell the extra seats for non-HKG transit pax for peanuts - as you pointed out https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...ype-fares.html
And then sell the extra seats for non-HKG transit pax for peanuts - as you pointed out https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...ype-fares.html
Apr 11, 2018, 5:41 am
#563
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Yes... And the first 10-abreast is a 77G (B-KPY), now call 77K
But since no one complaint about the seat width of 359 (I tried 359 Y once in seat E but feels really narrow to me... btw my BMI is well within the "normal" range) CX considers this a green light for them to go to "slim down" the size of their seat...
BTW new seat map for 10 abreast 77G = 77K is out...
https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_...g-777/300.html
But since no one complaint about the seat width of 359 (I tried 359 Y once in seat E but feels really narrow to me... btw my BMI is well within the "normal" range) CX considers this a green light for them to go to "slim down" the size of their seat...
BTW new seat map for 10 abreast 77G = 77K is out...
https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_...g-777/300.html
Apr 11, 2018, 9:42 am
#564
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,421
does not matter
you are the number one JQ fan boy
so you should be cheering the narrowing of seats, reduction of pitch, PUSHING for the devaluation of MPC/Asia miles, removing PTV's, removing food.
well if you want to be consistent at least!
you are the number one JQ fan boy
so you should be cheering the narrowing of seats, reduction of pitch, PUSHING for the devaluation of MPC/Asia miles, removing PTV's, removing food.
well if you want to be consistent at least!
Apr 11, 2018, 9:55 am
#565
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And HaiKou Express and AirasiaHK fan boy too, number one CX fan boy. Only taking away CX's slots and handing them over to someone who has to sell them for less or pricethem as outport fares will have any realistic prospect of reducing ex-HKG fares. I'm even willing to forgive Scoot if they set up Scoot HK and take some of the hoi polloi away.
And I don't care whether it's the CCP, Australian, Russians or even another British company not Swire who fund them. Since local capital has obviously failed here.
I don't care. If CX does 100% of these things and still not reduce ex-HKG prices (or increase AM availability), we're still fxxxxxxx.
And I don't care whether it's the CCP, Australian, Russians or even another British company not Swire who fund them. Since local capital has obviously failed here.
I don't care. If CX does 100% of these things and still not reduce ex-HKG prices (or increase AM availability), we're still fxxxxxxx.
Last edited by percysmith; Apr 22, 2018 at 7:49 am
Apr 11, 2018, 10:37 am
#566
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: HKG
Programs: CX, BA
Posts: 69
wonder if the number of crews required will need to increase, especially for the regional 777. 40 more passengers in economy is quite a increase.
Apr 11, 2018, 11:44 am
#567
Join Date: Nov 2012
Programs: SPG Platinum
Posts: 1,689
Disgraceful announcement. Another reminder to never fly Y!
Apr 11, 2018, 12:27 pm
#568
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,165
While I'm obviously not happy with this announcement, I believe eventually 10 rows in economy class (for B777 series aircraft) is going to be the industry standard, and all other airlines who have not converted to 10-across yet will do so at some point.
It's like free money for the airlines and there's no reason for them to leave money on the table.
It's like free money for the airlines and there's no reason for them to leave money on the table.
Apr 11, 2018, 6:41 pm
#569
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Location: MNL
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Posts: 2,284
Heard no concrete plans to increase because it just it just evens out the workload for those working on the left and right aisle since there are now 4 seats in the middle so, the crew can take care two each.
Apr 13, 2018, 2:48 am
#570
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,841
It’s not our thing - as a rule we don’t cover economy.