Oct 2, 2016, 3:40 pm
Last edit by: SinoBritAsia
Confirmed:
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?
Apr 29, 2018, 12:22 am
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Apr 29, 2018, 12:29 am
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Apr 29, 2018, 4:30 am
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I confess to having not read every post in this thread's 40 pages so I apologize in advance if this has already been covered -
Does anyone know of a rollout schedule for the 10 abreast 777 please? I am flying 807/806 ORD-HKG-BKK-HKG-ORD over thanksgiving. I have OWE so I got free exit seats on all sectors but as I don't do 10 abreast 777s, I may have to cancel the ticket. (That and ANA are doing a nice J promotion JFK-NRT/HND-KUL).
Thanks,
Does anyone know of a rollout schedule for the 10 abreast 777 please? I am flying 807/806 ORD-HKG-BKK-HKG-ORD over thanksgiving. I have OWE so I got free exit seats on all sectors but as I don't do 10 abreast 777s, I may have to cancel the ticket. (That and ANA are doing a nice J promotion JFK-NRT/HND-KUL).
Thanks,
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...sengers-coach/
They expect 6 retrofits to be completed by end of summer, starting with three-cabin aircraft, and all of their 777s including those that offer a first class cabin are expected to be updated by end of 2019.
Apr 29, 2018, 6:25 am
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I think JAL only use 3-4-3 on their domestic flights, and their international fleet is either 3-3-3 (777-300ER) or 2-4-3 (777-200ER)
On the other hand, a little surprised to see cx seems to be reusing the code 77A for 77H with 3-4-3 and 77P for current 73Z from their new seat maps.
On the other hand, a little surprised to see cx seems to be reusing the code 77A for 77H with 3-4-3 and 77P for current 73Z from their new seat maps.
Apr 29, 2018, 6:53 am
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Apr 30, 2018, 4:29 am
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I think JAL only use 3-4-3 on their domestic flights, and their international fleet is either 3-3-3 (777-300ER) or 2-4-3 (777-200ER)
On the other hand, a little surprised to see cx seems to be reusing the code 77A for 77H with 3-4-3 and 77P for current 73Z from their new seat maps.
On the other hand, a little surprised to see cx seems to be reusing the code 77A for 77H with 3-4-3 and 77P for current 73Z from their new seat maps.
Domestic they have 3-4-3 on their 777, but they have no domestic 787.
Apr 30, 2018, 5:09 am
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like pax sat in the middle at EVA/EK etc and have even paid double the price to fly them....
most customers want to be treated terribly
CX finally decided to give the customers what they want
most customers want to be treated terribly
CX finally decided to give the customers what they want
Apr 30, 2018, 6:01 pm
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From Airlineroute:
Cathay Pacific in the last few days gradually outlined planned operation with its re-configured Boeing 777-300 and -300ER, featuring 3-4-3 layout in Economy Class (instead of 3-3-3). The re-configured aircraft is gradually loaded in the reservation system as well as the OAG, starting June 2018.
Current schedule is updated until 28OCT18, and service entry date is likely to move forward.
777-300 (J42Y396)
01JUN18 – 30JUN18 (Selected flights only for following routes)
Hong Kong – Bangkok
Hong Kong – Manila
Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai
Hong Kong – Singapore
Hong Kong – Taipei Taoyuan
Hong Kong – Tokyo Narita
01JUL18 – 27OCT18
Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai CX506/507
777-300ER J40W32Y296
eff 19JUN18 Hong Kong – London Heathrow
eff 01JUL18 Hong Kong – Rome
eff 01OCT18 Hong Kong – Johannesburg
777-300ER F6J53W34Y201
eff 01AUG18 Hong Kong – Tokyo Haneda CX548/549
Cathay Pacific in the last few days gradually outlined planned operation with its re-configured Boeing 777-300 and -300ER, featuring 3-4-3 layout in Economy Class (instead of 3-3-3). The re-configured aircraft is gradually loaded in the reservation system as well as the OAG, starting June 2018.
Current schedule is updated until 28OCT18, and service entry date is likely to move forward.
777-300 (J42Y396)
01JUN18 – 30JUN18 (Selected flights only for following routes)
Hong Kong – Bangkok
Hong Kong – Manila
Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai
Hong Kong – Singapore
Hong Kong – Taipei Taoyuan
Hong Kong – Tokyo Narita
01JUL18 – 27OCT18
Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai CX506/507
777-300ER J40W32Y296
eff 19JUN18 Hong Kong – London Heathrow
eff 01JUL18 Hong Kong – Rome
eff 01OCT18 Hong Kong – Johannesburg
777-300ER F6J53W34Y201
eff 01AUG18 Hong Kong – Tokyo Haneda CX548/549
I decided to price one.
Using the cheapest pair of dates I can fly HKG-LHR-HKG via Skyscanner (being 25/7-27/8)
VS HK$7,495
BA HK$7,742
CX all flights, incl CX238/256 in 77K: HK$8,905
Just to make sure it's not a reciprocated outport advantage, I flipped the search
Cheapest 30/7-28/8
BA Ł748
VS Ł792
CX all flights incl CX256/CX238 pair: Ł823
I don't see any reward being offered for taking the pain
In fact, I don't see CX pricing any more aggressively for being an outport airline or the largest supplier on the route (of direct services). Maybe I'm outside the GFW and/or not searching 广之旅 in my search.
Last edited by percysmith; May 1, 2018 at 11:33 pm
May 2, 2018, 12:33 am
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Considering CX carries more than twice sometimes 4 times the amount of economy passengers as these competitors ( VS loss making on international routes!)
CX has no incentive to drop the price.
In fact research and based on the constant complaints here
Passengers were willing to pay a higher price for 3-4-3 on EVA and EK and on here kept whining about CX....
Going 3-4-3 is a no -brainer
not to mention when the economy is strong and CX is filling its premium cabins at a higher price ( mentioned in last 3 monthly reports)
and cargo is soaring
CX cares the least from all airlines about whether its economy is full.
CX has no incentive to drop the price.
In fact research and based on the constant complaints here
Passengers were willing to pay a higher price for 3-4-3 on EVA and EK and on here kept whining about CX....
Going 3-4-3 is a no -brainer
not to mention when the economy is strong and CX is filling its premium cabins at a higher price ( mentioned in last 3 monthly reports)
and cargo is soaring
CX cares the least from all airlines about whether its economy is full.
May 2, 2018, 12:42 am
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Is your pricing basis ex-TPE and ex-DXB respectively? I'm very sure this is not ex-HKG. EK is $7,976 for 28/7-25/8 (CX $8,905 25/7-27/8)
Last edited by percysmith; May 2, 2018 at 12:54 am
May 2, 2018, 12:47 am
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Considering CX carries more than twice sometimes 4 times the amount of economy passengers as these competitors ( VS loss making on international routes!)
CX has no incentive to drop the price.
In fact research and based on the constant complaints here
Passengers were willing to pay a higher price for 3-4-3 on EVA and EK and on here kept whining about CX....
Going 3-4-3 is a no -brainer
not to mention when the economy is strong and CX is filling its premium cabins at a higher price ( mentioned in last 3 monthly reports)
and cargo is soaring
CX cares the least from all airlines about whether its economy is full.
CX has no incentive to drop the price.
In fact research and based on the constant complaints here
Passengers were willing to pay a higher price for 3-4-3 on EVA and EK and on here kept whining about CX....
Going 3-4-3 is a no -brainer
not to mention when the economy is strong and CX is filling its premium cabins at a higher price ( mentioned in last 3 monthly reports)
and cargo is soaring
CX cares the least from all airlines about whether its economy is full.
After CX is going 3-4-3, the number of economy seat increases and I guess the fare will be lower in non-peak season.
May 2, 2018, 1:34 am
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The key part whether CX will drop the price or not is the loading. If CX feel hard to fill the plane, they have to drop the price like what CX is doing now for Australia, New Zealand and the US.
After CX is going 3-4-3, the number of economy seat increases and I guess the fare will be lower in non-peak season.
After CX is going 3-4-3, the number of economy seat increases and I guess the fare will be lower in non-peak season.
the key part is the Business and Cargo loading
if those LF's are over 80%
CX has little need for even 50% LF in economy