Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 24536139)
and i think the 33G freed from those routes that uses 77G can add more frequency to these routes:
HKG-BNE (making 2 daily, with 4 weekly passing CNS) HKG-ADL (making 1 daily) HKG-PER (making 2 daily) Qantas has been posturing to use HKG as a hub for fifth freedom flights (read Jetstar HK) in exchange for increasing the bilateral capacity by arguing that it doesn't need additional capacity anyway as an 'end of the line' carrier. http://www.pc.gov.au/research/comple...al-tourism.pdf - Section 4 contains the relevant discussion although it's a bit of a long read. Or the CAPA article contains the relevant quotes from QF. |
Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 24536139)
and i think the 33G freed from those routes that uses 77G can add more frequency to these routes:
HKG-BNE (making 2 daily, with 4 weekly passing CNS) HKG-ADL (making 1 daily) HKG-PER (making 2 daily) One deal CX can do is to reach agreement with QF/AU Govt/CAD to boost capacity for withdrawing objections to Jetstar HK's PPB http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...promise-127312 - QF only flies around 29 flights here a week so giving CX more frequency will make the bilateral look more unequal than the Treaty of Nanking unless some concession is made for JQHK.
Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 24536142)
One concern of using 77G to Australia is that, how CX solved the engineering problem when the aircraft is parking at Australia?
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HKG-OOL please!
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What about other Destinations?
Although Cathay cannot expand services to PER/BNE/SYD/MEL, Would new services to Darwin, Canberra, and Gold Coast (and Wellington/Christchurch?) be a viable alternative? e.g. 4X Daily.
I'm not sure too but, I have heard from another thread that Perth was lobbying for itself to be exempt from the bilateral agreements in the way that Adelaide is now due to the withdrawal of Qantas services. Maybe Cathay can use its two slots for Perth services to increase capacity at SYD/BNE/MEL? Just a speculation :p. |
Perth has been long over looked by Oneworld operators. Until Qantas resumed it Perth-Singapore flights CX were the only OW operator flying internationally out of Perth.
Perth peolpe have money to spend and loads would be clocking up huge points on QF with domestic flights to and from mine sites, those without the points are looking for $$ value when flying to US/Eur. The Middle Eastern airlines have almost cornered the European market but CX were and are by far the cheapest to NA. Qantas and Virgin are non competitve in this route as their domestic prices are high and all flights are routed through SYD/MEL/BNE. Cathay could easily increase demand to PER |
Originally Posted by andy81
(Post 25158779)
Until Qantas resumed it Perth-Singapore flights CX were the only OW operator flying internationally out of Perth.
Originally Posted by andy81
(Post 25158779)
Cathay could easily increase demand to PER
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Just a thought, if they can't increase the number of flights between Australia and HK, then besides the 139/138 which has been changed to a 77G, will they consider changing some of the others to 77G (when the A350 are delivered) or A350 (when they are delivered)?
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CX100/101 has already been upgauged to 77G from October http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/10/cx-syd-w15/
My guess for third 77G flight (should they have the available equipment) will be CX178/163 ? MEL counterpart of CX138/139. |
I'm sure that there will be further upgauges to Australia.
SYD and MEL will likely get additional 77G or 350s to some of the services in time. I wonder if OOL might eventually go from charter to 3 weekly scheduled or something. Would be a nice complement to BNE. I would love to see CX use the 350 to CHC at some point to. I think SQ is one of the few Asian carriers flying there. With less competition and increasing travel from China I am sure CX would do well there |
Originally Posted by Iamhappy
(Post 25182712)
Just a thought, if they can't increase the number of flights between Australia and HK
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Originally Posted by percysmith
(Post 25182748)
CX100/101 has already been upgauged to 77G already from October http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/10/cx-syd-w15/
My guess for third 77G flight (should they have the available equipment) will be CX178/163 ? MEL counterpart of CX138/139.
Originally Posted by CX828
(Post 25182884)
I'm sure that there will be further upgauges to Australia.
SYD and MEL will likely get additional 77G or 350s to some of the services in time. I wonder if OOL might eventually go from charter to 3 weekly scheduled or something. Would be a nice complement to BNE. I would love to see CX use the 350 to CHC at some point to. I think SQ is one of the few Asian carriers flying there. With less competition and increasing travel from China I am sure CX would do well there
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25182920)
They can. Just not to SYD, MEL, BNE or PER. The 70 flight/week limit covers those 4 ports. There is no limit on flights to other ports in Australia.
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Originally Posted by Iamhappy
(Post 25183005)
I guess if they start increasing the number of flights to others, such as ADL, CNS, then people may start considering taking LLC to their final destinations meaning lesser demand (>lower prices) for their direct flights.
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Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25183157)
They could start with a 3xweekly CBR A330 flight. :cool:
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Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25182920)
They can. Just not to SYD, MEL, BNE or PER. The 70 flight/week limit covers those 4 ports. There is no limit on flights to other ports in Australia.
but if so I have all my money bet on starting Gold Coast (OOL) service... according to 2013 data, Gold Coast greater area population is 6th largest at about 600k.... top 5 being the combined SYD/MEL/BNE/PER/ADE about 14.5mio people (out of 24mio in Australia)... Also geographically, Gold Coast being about 90min drive from Brisbane, and the fact OOL is pretty much has direct access to the Pacific Highway, OOL can be used to serve the needs of Southern Greater Brisbane metro region. Demographic of Gold Coast is very similar to Brisbane with high Chinese-Asian population. Education sector attracts many SE Asian students to the local university/Tafe... Also Gold Coast needless to say is an important tourism hub, with proposed cruise terminal going to be built with many MICE arranged in their convention center. OOL had recent (last 5 years) upgraded their Runways/Landing system also and easily capable of handling international arrivals... Canberra is far fetched... the city only have 350k or so population, and GENERALLY speaking much smaller Asian base than BNE/OOL region. Also being the capitol city it is more of a public-sector city and presumably business flights will be served by QF if anything. I doubt CX putting Canberra high on the rador. Perhaps OOL might be a KA destination if they think of it predominantly leisure based. I beg to differ and Cathay brand will suit better. |
Originally Posted by fakecd
(Post 25183193)
I didn't realize this, is that correct?
but if so I have all my money bet on starting Gold Coast (OOL) service... according to 2013 data, Gold Coast greater area population is 6th largest at about 600k.... top 5 being the combined SYD/MEL/BNE/PER/ADE about 14.5mio people (out of 24mio in Australia)... Also geographically, Gold Coast being about 90min drive from Brisbane, and the fact OOL is pretty much has direct access to the Pacific Highway, OOL can be used to serve the needs of Southern Greater Brisbane metro region. Demographic of Gold Coast is very similar to Brisbane with high Chinese-Asian population. Education sector attracts many SE Asian students to the local university/Tafe... Also Gold Coast needless to say is an important tourism hub, with proposed cruise terminal going to be built with many MICE arranged in their convention center. OOL had recent (last 5 years) upgraded their Runways/Landing system also and easily capable of handling international arrivals... Canberra is far fetched... the city only have 350k or so population, and GENERALLY speaking much smaller Asian base than BNE/OOL region. Also being the capitol city it is more of a public-sector city and presumably business flights will be served by QF if anything. I doubt CX putting Canberra high on the rador. Perhaps OOL might be a KA destination if they think of it predominantly leisure based. I beg to differ and Cathay brand will suit better. But hey it would be good if CX has more services to secondary ports. Good for award redemption for me as SYD/MEL/BNE/PER award redemption is always limited (too many people fighting over them) even though they have plenty of flights. Whereas I always find J awards via ADL or CNS. OOL/CBR/DRW would be good for me. |
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