Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Mar 5, 2019, 10:48 am
#781
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
Programs: HGP Globalist, SPG P100, Hilton Dia
Posts: 425
Yes you can pull a no-show. However, the itinerary must be rebooked with the same rebooking fees and you will still need to fly the rest of the itinerary in the same sequence.
Mar 5, 2019, 11:24 am
#783
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF Gold
Posts: 980
AY?
Hi,
Has anybody recently been successful in booking a leg on AY as part of an MCA? I am trying to get a leg HEL-SIN squeezed in, but cannot see availability on any date (In J); it always says "Fully booked". Looking at flights in late Jan 2020. Any tips / insight, please?
Has anybody recently been successful in booking a leg on AY as part of an MCA? I am trying to get a leg HEL-SIN squeezed in, but cannot see availability on any date (In J); it always says "Fully booked". Looking at flights in late Jan 2020. Any tips / insight, please?
Mar 5, 2019, 8:53 pm
#786
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 310
I've been looking at this award chart a lot lately and was hoping someone could confirm the following is a valid award - I believe it is, but my eyes have deceived me before:
LAS-oORD-oAMM-xDOH-NBO//JRO-oDOH-MLE//SIN-oHKG-xLAX-oLAS-SFO
Travel would be on AA, RJ, RJ, QR // QR, QR // CX, CX, AA, AA (prospectively). This clocks in right below 25,000 miles according to GCMap.com.
Also, there isn't a ton of discussion in this thread regarding taxes, fees, and surcharges on the awards. I tried searching the thread using the forum tools, but perhaps I'm just missing it. Can anyone chime in with what they've been seeing? I'm mostly looking for what range I should be expecting. I appreciate any help on this point.
LAS-oORD-oAMM-xDOH-NBO//JRO-oDOH-MLE//SIN-oHKG-xLAX-oLAS-SFO
Travel would be on AA, RJ, RJ, QR // QR, QR // CX, CX, AA, AA (prospectively). This clocks in right below 25,000 miles according to GCMap.com.
Also, there isn't a ton of discussion in this thread regarding taxes, fees, and surcharges on the awards. I tried searching the thread using the forum tools, but perhaps I'm just missing it. Can anyone chime in with what they've been seeing? I'm mostly looking for what range I should be expecting. I appreciate any help on this point.
Mar 5, 2019, 9:06 pm
#787
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,170
I've been looking at this award chart a lot lately and was hoping someone could confirm the following is a valid award - I believe it is, but my eyes have deceived me before:
LAS-oORD-oAMM-xDOH-NBO//JRO-oDOH-MLE//SIN-oHKG-xLAX-oLAS-SFO
Travel would be on AA, RJ, RJ, QR // QR, QR // CX, CX, AA, AA (prospectively). This clocks in right below 25,000 miles according to GCMap.com.
Also, there isn't a ton of discussion in this thread regarding taxes, fees, and surcharges on the awards. I tried searching the thread using the forum tools, but perhaps I'm just missing it. Can anyone chime in with what they've been seeing? I'm mostly looking for what range I should be expecting. I appreciate any help on this point.
LAS-oORD-oAMM-xDOH-NBO//JRO-oDOH-MLE//SIN-oHKG-xLAX-oLAS-SFO
Travel would be on AA, RJ, RJ, QR // QR, QR // CX, CX, AA, AA (prospectively). This clocks in right below 25,000 miles according to GCMap.com.
Also, there isn't a ton of discussion in this thread regarding taxes, fees, and surcharges on the awards. I tried searching the thread using the forum tools, but perhaps I'm just missing it. Can anyone chime in with what they've been seeing? I'm mostly looking for what range I should be expecting. I appreciate any help on this point.
YQ- I’ve almost always had CX come back with a figure very close to what the same itinerary would show on ITA matrix- always, except that one time I tried to have QR sectors in and things went for a complete toss.
oh, and use Asiamiles’ website to calculate distances- small differences do exist viz GCMap.
Mar 5, 2019, 9:13 pm
#788
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 310
Haven’t booked one of these in a while, but looks ok to me..personally, I’d be fine sacrificing the first and especially the last 2 sectors in case that helps things with availability, or, getting things done, rather than open an argument with the agent, or if I can add a ‘valuable’ sidetrip someplace.
YQ- I’ve almost always had CX come back with a figure very close to what the same itinerary would show on ITA matrix- always, except that one time I tried to have QR sectors in and things went for a complete toss.
oh, and use Asiamiles’ website to calculate distances- small differences do exist viz GCMap.
Mar 17, 2019, 8:30 pm
#789
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 177
Successfully booked the following all the way on business.
HKG-DOH on QR : TRANSIT 1
DOH-LGW on QR: OPENJAW 1
HKG-JFK on CX: STOPOVER 1
JFK-SCL on LA: STOPOVER 2
SCL-JFK on LA: TRANSIT 2
JFK-HKG on CX: END
Total of 34,902 miles. Cost 210,000 Asia Miles.
Got a Europe return that i will try adding if available and move it total flown of around 48,000 miles and pay 240,000.
HKG-DOH on QR : TRANSIT 1
DOH-LGW on QR: OPENJAW 1
HKG-JFK on CX: STOPOVER 1
JFK-SCL on LA: STOPOVER 2
SCL-JFK on LA: TRANSIT 2
JFK-HKG on CX: END
Total of 34,902 miles. Cost 210,000 Asia Miles.
Got a Europe return that i will try adding if available and move it total flown of around 48,000 miles and pay 240,000.
Mar 18, 2019, 8:59 am
#790
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SIN
Programs: JL GC | Marriott LT Silver | Global Entry | SQ Silver
Posts: 6,819
Successfully booked the following all the way on business.
HKG-DOH on QR : TRANSIT 1
DOH-LGW on QR: OPENJAW 1
HKG-JFK on CX: STOPOVER 1
JFK-SCL on LA: STOPOVER 2
SCL-JFK on LA: TRANSIT 2
JFK-HKG on CX: END
Total of 34,902 miles. Cost 210,000 Asia Miles.
Got a Europe return that i will try adding if available and move it total flown of around 48,000 miles and pay 240,000.
HKG-DOH on QR : TRANSIT 1
DOH-LGW on QR: OPENJAW 1
HKG-JFK on CX: STOPOVER 1
JFK-SCL on LA: STOPOVER 2
SCL-JFK on LA: TRANSIT 2
JFK-HKG on CX: END
Total of 34,902 miles. Cost 210,000 Asia Miles.
Got a Europe return that i will try adding if available and move it total flown of around 48,000 miles and pay 240,000.
Mar 25, 2019, 5:56 am
#792
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 3
Is this allowed?>
So I was only recently introduced into this wonderful phenomenon and I'm trying to work out using my first multi carrier redemption :mad :
I'm taking a trip to the UK in June but also need to go to Spain (AGP) for a wedding, so i was thinking of adding this on.
Is it possible for me to go:
HKG>MAN (CX) stay 10days or so.
LHR>AGP (BA) stay 4-5 days
AGP>ZRH (Swiss/Iberia), ZRH>HKG (Swiss/CX)?
Am i allowed the UK open jaw of Manchester and Heathrow? Also when i try to put it into the asiamiles calculator, it doesn't give me an airline option for AGP to ZRH but there are multiple direct flights with Swiss...
If anyone has too much time on their hands, I also need to get to Prague in August, but I haven't found a way to fit this into one journey with all of the T&Cs.
Help for a newbie appreciated!
I'm taking a trip to the UK in June but also need to go to Spain (AGP) for a wedding, so i was thinking of adding this on.
Is it possible for me to go:
HKG>MAN (CX) stay 10days or so.
LHR>AGP (BA) stay 4-5 days
AGP>ZRH (Swiss/Iberia), ZRH>HKG (Swiss/CX)?
Am i allowed the UK open jaw of Manchester and Heathrow? Also when i try to put it into the asiamiles calculator, it doesn't give me an airline option for AGP to ZRH but there are multiple direct flights with Swiss...
If anyone has too much time on their hands, I also need to get to Prague in August, but I haven't found a way to fit this into one journey with all of the T&Cs.
Help for a newbie appreciated!
Last edited by tominhongkong; Mar 25, 2019 at 6:01 am Reason: Added informationb
Mar 25, 2019, 7:04 am
#794
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 3
I see - thank you.
Do you know what is the reason for the "Airline Partners Award Chart" on the Asiamiles site? Is it ever possible to redeem on flights with "Airlines partners" on this list but not Oneworld members?
And in this instance, could I change my itinerary to:
HKG>MAN (CX) stay 10days or so.
LHR/LGW>AGP (BA/Iberia) stay 4-5 days
AGP>HEL (Finnair), HEL>HKG (Finnair)?
Do you know what is the reason for the "Airline Partners Award Chart" on the Asiamiles site? Is it ever possible to redeem on flights with "Airlines partners" on this list but not Oneworld members?
And in this instance, could I change my itinerary to:
HKG>MAN (CX) stay 10days or so.
LHR/LGW>AGP (BA/Iberia) stay 4-5 days
AGP>HEL (Finnair), HEL>HKG (Finnair)?
Mar 26, 2019, 12:14 am
#795
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF Gold
Posts: 980
Is this still the case? Thinking of booking a MCA which would include a domestic sector on AA (To get me to 3 carriers incl. CX). Trouble is business class is currently full on the flight that I am looking at, but economy would be available. So could I add that sector in economy into an overall MCA business class award?