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Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).

If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).

For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.

Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.


Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.

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Old Sep 12, 2018, 12:27 am
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Hi Guys. Newbie to multi carrier awards so please bear with me. Have a few questions.

I have a couple of round trips and one ways already ticketed.
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - HKG (CX)

These flights are around 18,000 miles. I do understand we need 2 partner airlines. So lets say i added in this sector

HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)

Is this a valid routing? I assume around 20,000 miles so should be 165K in business. If valid route, question is can i call and give them the existing reservations and ask them to change it to a multi carrier award???

Would this be a valid routing?
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
HKG - JFK - HKG (QR or CX)

Thanks in advance.

Last edited by rocket69; Sep 12, 2018 at 1:20 am
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 1:18 am
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Originally Posted by rocket69
Hi Guys. Newbie to multi carrier awards so please bear with me. Have a few questions.

I have a couple of round trips and one ways already ticketed.
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - HKG (CX)

These flights are around 18,000 miles. I do understand we need 2 partner airlines. So lets say i added in this sector

HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)

Is this a valid routing? I assume around 20,000 miles so should be 165K in business. If valid route, question is can i call and give them the existing reservations and ask them to change it to a multi carrier award???

Would this be a valid routing?
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
HKG - JFK - HKG (QA or CX)

Thanks in advance.
You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits, and 2 openjaws which you should be able to fit into that itinerary. However since you already ticketed some of the routes, I'm not sure if they will allow you to combine. I'll assume they will ask you to cancel your existing tickets and create a new one based on the Multi Carrier award.

Btw, there's no airline with QA code.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 1:25 am
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Originally Posted by lcpteck
You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits, and 2 openjaws which you should be able to fit into that itinerary. However since you already ticketed some of the routes, I'm not sure if they will allow you to combine. I'll assume they will ask you to cancel your existing tickets and create a new one based on the Multi Carrier award.

Btw, there's no airline with QA code.
My bad i meant QR (edited it). Good to know it is a valid route. I guess as worse case if they do not lose the seats and ask me to cancel and rebook it will be the cost of cancellation, guess i can do the math as to what makes sense.

If i want to go MAN - BRU the only route is MAN-LHR-BRU on BA, is the LHR then classified as transit? How many times can i return to the point of origin..is there a limit?

Is it possible to make changes to the multi awards? if yes at what cost and till what point? Thanks

Sorry once again for the questions.

Last edited by rocket69; Sep 12, 2018 at 1:30 am
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 1:35 am
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Originally Posted by rocket69
My bad i meant QR (edited it). Good to know it is a valid route. I guess as worse case if they do not lose the seats and ask me to cancel and rebook it will be the cost of cancellation, guess i can do the math as to what makes sense.
Okay so if it's QR then it would be HKG-DOH-JFK.

Originally Posted by rocket69
If i want to go MAN - BRU the only route is MAN-LHR-BRU on BA, is the LHR then classified as transit? How many times can i return to the point of origin..is there a limit?
LHR would be a transit.

Originally Posted by rocket69
Is it possible to make changes to the multi awards? if yes at what cost and till what point? Thanks

Sorry once again for the questions.
I'm not really sure, you might want to read the cancellation or change rules on the Asia Miles website.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by lcpteck
Okay so if it's QR then it would be HKG-DOH-JFK.
LHR would be a transit.
I'm not really sure, you might want to read the cancellation or change rules on the Asia Miles website.
Thanks. I guess cancellation and change is allowed before you start the journey for a fee to what i understood from the Asia Miles website.

Just to reconfirm

HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HK - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 3 STOPOVER ???
MAN - LHR (BA) - 4 STOPOVER
LHR - MAN (BA) - 5 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 6 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 7 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - 3 TRANSIT.

Do i have this correct how stopover and transit work???
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by rocket69
Thanks. I guess cancellation and change is allowed before you start the journey for a fee to what i understood from the Asia Miles website.

Just to reconfirm

HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HK - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 3 STOPOVER ???
MAN - LHR (BA) - 4 STOPOVER
LHR - MAN (BA) - 5 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 6 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 7 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - 3 TRANSIT.

Do i have this correct how stopover and transit work???
That's right, so it would look something like this:
HKG-oDEL-oHKG-xDOH-oMAN-oLHR-oMAN-oHKG-xDOH-oJFK-xDOH-HKG
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 4:15 am
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Originally Posted by lcpteck
That's right, so it would look something like this:
HKG-oDEL-oHKG-xDOH-oMAN-oLHR-oMAN-oHKG-xDOH-oJFK-xDOH-HKG
That's above the 5 stopover limit.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by focusonskills
That's above the 5 stopover limit.
This is what I thought which makes it an invalid route is that correct?
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by rocket69
This is what I thought which makes it an invalid route is that correct?
Yes, However you can make slight modification to make it valid.
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - Not valid as exceeded maximum stopover/transit limit. Use direct CX flight or use openjaw and leave from another city.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by focusonskills
Yes, However you can make slight modification to make it valid.
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - Not valid as exceeded maximum stopover/transit limit. Use direct CX flight or use openjaw and leave from another city.
Thanks, Is the below route valid??

HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
YVR - HKG (CX) - 2 OPENJAW.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 10:14 pm
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Looks valid to me. The JFK in the end is not a stopover - it's an open jaw.
The final flight is valid too, but it doesn't count as a stopover/openjaw. It's just the final flight back to the origin.
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by Psychiatrist
Looks valid to me. The JFK in the end is not a stopover - it's an open jaw.
The final flight is valid too, but it doesn't count as a stopover/openjaw. It's just the final flight back to the origin.
Thanks and sorry for the questions. Trying to figure how it works. Is this valid??

HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 OPENJAW
YUL - DOH (QR) - 5 STOPOVER
DOH - HKG (QR) - RETURN TO ORIGIN
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 8:13 am
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[EDIT for brainlessness] HKG-DOH-JFK is a transit and then an openjaw

Last edited by christep; Sep 13, 2018 at 9:32 am
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by christep
HKG-DOH-JFK is a transit and then a stopover
Not transit and openjaw??
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by rocket69
Not transit and openjaw??
Yep, it's a transit and openjaw
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