Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
May 15, 2018, 4:29 pm
#679
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
1. CA is one of few the Asia Miles partners that do not allow "Mixed-carrier Awards." This is unrelated to oneworld membership. See https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html#Airlinepartnersawardschart
2. Even if CA were a member of oneworld, a "oneworld Multi-carrier Awards" requires 2 oneworld airlines other than CX / KA, so this itinerary wouldn't qualify anyway.
May 15, 2018, 7:22 pm
#680
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 683
I think the correct explanation should be:
1. CA is one of few the Asia Miles partners that do not allow "Mixed-carrier Awards." This is unrelated to oneworld membership. See https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html#Airlinepartnersawardschart
2. Even if CA were a member of oneworld, a "oneworld Multi-carrier Awards" requires 2 oneworld airlines other than CX / KA, so this itinerary wouldn't qualify anyway.
May 16, 2018, 3:57 am
#681
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
May 16, 2018, 7:56 am
#682
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 683
You may want to check with others or with AM directly, but I believe for a one-way award, you can only have one stopover (which can be used as a transit, so one stopover OR one transit), but not one stopover AND one transit. See https://www.asiamiles.com/en/terms-a...uirements.html
May 16, 2018, 9:00 am
#683
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: AUH
Posts: 8,265
You may want to check with others or with AM directly, but I believe for a one-way award, you can only have one stopover (which can be used as a transit, so one stopover OR one transit), but not one stopover AND one transit. See https://www.asiamiles.com/en/terms-a...uirements.html
May 16, 2018, 10:10 am
#684
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
Do you plan to stop in both PEK and HKG? If you don't actually need to go to HKG, you can use CA for LAX-PEK-ZRH. Otherwise, what you have seems fine.
May 16, 2018, 10:35 am
#685
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 683
May 16, 2018, 1:46 pm
#686
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
May 16, 2018, 3:07 pm
#687
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 683
I thought CA does not allow stop over. and the real problem is that CA usually does not release J seats on transpacific flights, but a lot of J seats to anywhere else on the world it flies. I probably stick with CX, which have a lot Js available from N. America, and use BA avois to patch HKG<->PEK flight.
May 17, 2018, 12:35 am
#688
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
I thought CA does not allow stop over. and the real problem is that CA usually does not release J seats on transpacific flights, but a lot of J seats to anywhere else on the world it flies. I probably stick with CX, which have a lot Js available from N. America, and use BA avois to patch HKG<->PEK flight.
May 17, 2018, 10:41 am
#689
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: HKG
Programs: BA Silver, MU Silver, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 482
My recent OW redemption is as follow
HKG-MAD[TRANSFER]
MAD-LIS[OPEN JAW]
OPO-MAD[TRANSFER]
MAD-HKG[STOPOVER]
HKG-YVR[STOPOVER]
YVR-HKG[STOPOVER]
HKG-BNE[STOPOVER]
BNE-SYD[OPEN JAW]
PER-HKG
34,962 mi of total flying distance requires 190,000 Asia Miles for business class
One of the tricky problems was that when I was on the phone talking to an agent their system did not allow me to book the flight MAD-HKG on CX with the connection time >2hrs while the flight was available when I search it separately. I double checked the MCT in MAD was 90min if I remember correctly. The agent said "Wait a moment" and then the problem solved.
Another problem I have encountered was that the flight OPO-MAD is operated by Air Nostrum, marketed by Iberia. The agent said it's a codeshare flight so she could not book that. I told her Air Nostrum is an affiliate airline of IB and it's also under the oneworld alliance. She said "wait a moment please" and then another problem solved.
HKG-MAD[TRANSFER]
MAD-LIS[OPEN JAW]
OPO-MAD[TRANSFER]
MAD-HKG[STOPOVER]
HKG-YVR[STOPOVER]
YVR-HKG[STOPOVER]
HKG-BNE[STOPOVER]
BNE-SYD[OPEN JAW]
PER-HKG
34,962 mi of total flying distance requires 190,000 Asia Miles for business class
One of the tricky problems was that when I was on the phone talking to an agent their system did not allow me to book the flight MAD-HKG on CX with the connection time >2hrs while the flight was available when I search it separately. I double checked the MCT in MAD was 90min if I remember correctly. The agent said "Wait a moment" and then the problem solved.
Another problem I have encountered was that the flight OPO-MAD is operated by Air Nostrum, marketed by Iberia. The agent said it's a codeshare flight so she could not book that. I told her Air Nostrum is an affiliate airline of IB and it's also under the oneworld alliance. She said "wait a moment please" and then another problem solved.
(A)
HKG-PER Transit
PER-SYD Stop
SYD-HKG Stop
HKG-LHR Openjaw
BRU-HKG Stop
HKG-SYD Stop
SYD-HKG Stop
HKG-KIX Openjaw
NRT-HKG
(B)
HKG-KIX Openjaw
BRU-HKG Openjaw
HND-HKG Stop
HKG-CAN Transit
CAN-DOH Stop
DOH-GYD Stop
GYD-TBS Stop
TBS-DOH Transit
DOH-BKK Stop
BKK-HKG
Last edited by ny911; May 17, 2018 at 10:59 am
May 18, 2018, 3:02 am
#690
Join Date: May 2018
Programs: Marco Polo, BA Executive club, SPG, Hyatt,
Posts: 65
Hi I am new to this. Just want to ask a question:
If a flight has code sharing (AA for CX to US for example), would it be counted as AA flight and so it is part of one world and non-CX?
If a flight has code sharing (AA for CX to US for example), would it be counted as AA flight and so it is part of one world and non-CX?