Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Mar 8, 2018, 11:38 pm
#616
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,170
How long were the CX award segments kept on hold for you? But the fact that they kept it on hold and allowed you add segments as they became available is very good. In the case of Krisflyer's RTW ticket all segments need to be bookable at the same time, making it very hard to redeem such a ticket.
CX has a lot of flaws, but does well to its DMs on most things- I’ve never had an issue keeping segments for longer than I’ve needed to.
Last edited by jagmeets; Mar 8, 2018 at 11:53 pm
Mar 9, 2018, 5:41 am
#617
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
If memory serves me correctly, i’ve kept award segments for 30+days while waiting for other carriers to open their inventory per their release calendar (this for a mega South America trip). Also recall MH segments being kept for a couple of weeks (remember since I was bewildered, but the agent said that there’s an issuance deadline from MH of XX date, and that we can fight back if they drop those).
CX has a lot of flaws, but does well to its DMs on most things- I’ve never had an issue keeping segments for longer than I’ve needed to.
CX has a lot of flaws, but does well to its DMs on most things- I’ve never had an issue keeping segments for longer than I’ve needed to.
That's quite a hold they gave you! As you've obviously booked such a ticket before and that too for travel to South America, could you please sanity check this itinerary for me? I'll really appreciate it.
HKG-oJNB-HKG // HKG-oJFK-oSCL-oPUQ-xSCL-oIPC-xSCL-xMEL-HKG
Will my two transits in SCL count as one or two?
Thanks so much!
Last edited by lifeonthego_k; Mar 9, 2018 at 5:48 am
Mar 9, 2018, 8:58 am
#618
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,170
.CX goes segment by segment.
Trying to get creative, you do have an unused open-jaw, and inserting that in there somewhere will free up two x's, and/or o's.
Easiest would be to take one segment out (the cheapest one), and buy a revenue ticket for that..(as an example ..oSCL-PUQ//SCL-oIPC-xSCL...will leave you with one extra stopover to play with - note, I have no clue on the economics).
BTW, if you do get down to this - do anything and everything to get CX to issue the tickets asap after you add the LA sectors - I had a fair bit of grief that required someone in CX to speak with LA's 'oneworld liaison' to resolve.
Wait - scratch all the above..just noticed that you have an openjaw between HKG, and,...HKG - thats not an openjaw!
That one in HKG needs to be either a transit, or a stopover.. so you're two above your transit+stopover allowance already.
Why not this: HKG-oJNB-oHKG-oJFK-oSCL-oIPC-xSCL-xXXX-HKG? SCL-PUQ will be a cheap economy ticket since they don't have business on domestics in anycase..
Mar 9, 2018, 9:50 am
#619
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
Thanks a lot for the input!
Great idea, just checked and SCL-PUQ is very cheap and if I buy it in Chile it'll be even cheaper!
What was the issue you faced here? Why was CX refusing to issue the tickets after you added the LA sectors?
How about this - HKG-oJNB-xHKG-KUL // SIN-xMEL-oSCL-oIPC-xSCL-oJFK-HKG (the second part of the journey would commence 6-8 months later) or even HKG-JNB // WDH-xDOH-SIN // HKG-xJFK-oSCL-oIPC-xSCL-oJFK-HKG?
BTW, if you do get down to this - do anything and everything to get CX to issue the tickets asap after you add the LA sectors - I had a fair bit of grief that required someone in CX to speak with LA's 'oneworld liaison' to resolve.
Why not this: HKG-oJNB-oHKG-oJFK-oSCL-oIPC-xSCL-xXXX-HKG? SCL-PUQ will be a cheap economy ticket since they don't have business on domestics in anycase..
Last edited by lifeonthego_k; Mar 9, 2018 at 10:47 am
Mar 15, 2018, 1:34 pm
#620
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Programs: BA Silver, EY Gold, HH Diamond, IHG Plat
Posts: 12,210
Thinking of doing a Multi carrier award. Was wondering can I add on segments later? As of now the outbound is open but the return is not. So can I pay the miles for one way and then pay the extra and get the return added?
Mar 15, 2018, 6:59 pm
#621
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,799
Mar 15, 2018, 8:41 pm
#622
Join Date: Apr 2012
Programs: AA, UA, Hilton, Choice, Wyndham
Posts: 415
Hi all! Is this valid?
DCA-xBOS-oNRT-oICN-oHKG-oSYD-oHNL-xLAX-SEA?
DCA-BOS: AA
BOS-NRT-ICN: JAL
ICN-HKG: CX
HKG-SYD: CX or QF
SYD-HNL: QF
HNL-LAX-SEA: AA
Great Circle Mapper
22,325 BIS miles, so it should price out at 110k in Y?
If I kill NRT-ICN and swap that leg for Avios or LCC, then I've saved 2 stopvers, and added an open jaw. Then is this valid?
DCA-xBOS-NRT // ICN-oHKG-oSYD-oHNL-xLAX-oSEA-xDFW-oAUS-xDFW-DCA
In the last CLT transit, can that be xDFW again even though SEA-AUS is via DFW? If not I can try to change the SEA-xxx-AUS layover to PHX/LAX/ORD, or the AUS-xxx-DCA layover to ORD/MIA/CLT/PHL
Great Circle Mapper
Thanks so much!
DCA-xBOS-oNRT-oICN-oHKG-oSYD-oHNL-xLAX-SEA?
DCA-BOS: AA
BOS-NRT-ICN: JAL
ICN-HKG: CX
HKG-SYD: CX or QF
SYD-HNL: QF
HNL-LAX-SEA: AA
Great Circle Mapper
22,325 BIS miles, so it should price out at 110k in Y?
If I kill NRT-ICN and swap that leg for Avios or LCC, then I've saved 2 stopvers, and added an open jaw. Then is this valid?
DCA-xBOS-NRT // ICN-oHKG-oSYD-oHNL-xLAX-oSEA-xDFW-oAUS-xDFW-DCA
In the last CLT transit, can that be xDFW again even though SEA-AUS is via DFW? If not I can try to change the SEA-xxx-AUS layover to PHX/LAX/ORD, or the AUS-xxx-DCA layover to ORD/MIA/CLT/PHL
Great Circle Mapper
Thanks so much!
Mar 16, 2018, 4:13 am
#623
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Programs: BA Silver, EY Gold, HH Diamond, IHG Plat
Posts: 12,210
Mar 16, 2018, 6:56 am
#624
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,799
Cancel and reissue normally doesn't involve releasing seats
But cancel and reissue is like AM or AAdvantage holding seats awaiting ticketing
If not ticketed within a certain period of time (QF 10 days, CX 5 days, QR ~24 hours) the seats may be dropped and returned to carrier
Mar 16, 2018, 8:16 am
#625
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
I'm in a similar quandary. Thinking of doing this but of course, when you add the return, a re-issue fee of $100/person will be chargeable, won't it?
Mar 16, 2018, 9:00 am
#626
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,799
same airline, route, class of service
US$40/4,000AM
Reissue: change of class, change of city (incl add/delete segments)
same airline(s)
US$100/10,000AM
Cancellation and reissue: everything else. Your segments can be held (subject to reticketing deadline which can be as low as 24h for QR) but a new ticket will be issued.
US$120/12,000AM
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Rebooking CX/KA: no recalculation of taxes and surcharges
Rebooking other airlines: recalculation of taxes and surcharges
Reissue, cancellation and reissue: recalculation of taxes and surcharges
Mar 16, 2018, 10:00 am
#627
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
I have Platinum status with QR, which makes me a OWE. If I book such an award ticket using AM, with whom I have no status, are airlines likely to grant me OWE privileges (e.g access to first class lounges, additional check-in bag allowance, etc.), if I show my QR membership card? Anyone tried this before? Thanks.
Last edited by lifeonthego_k; Mar 16, 2018 at 10:26 am
Mar 16, 2018, 11:51 am
#628
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: None any more
Posts: 11,017
Of course - it doesn't matter how you pay for your ticket. If you are flying on oneworld then you get oneworld Emerald privileges.
Many thousands of people do this every day - that's the whole point of oneworld.
Many thousands of people do this every day - that's the whole point of oneworld.
Mar 16, 2018, 3:03 pm
#629
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
I have Platinum status with QR, which makes me a OWE. If I book such an award ticket using AM, with whom I have no status, are airlines likely to grant me OWE privileges (e.g access to first class lounges, additional check-in bag allowance, etc.), if I show my QR membership card? Anyone tried this before? Thanks.
Mar 16, 2018, 7:02 pm
#630
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
By the way, there are different frequent flyer fields within Amadeus (which both CX and QR use). There's FQTV for where the miles go, FQTR for where the miles are redeemed from, and FQTS for the status recognition. See if CX can help put your QR number in FQTV or FQTS.