Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Feb 17, 2018, 10:55 pm
#603
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 5
Sharing from HKG
135,000 miles for Business Class
Last edited by hk1992; Feb 17, 2018 at 11:51 pm
Feb 26, 2018, 3:24 am
#604
Join Date: Apr 2016
Programs: SQ VA QF CX JL NH AA
Posts: 18
I would like to book a oneworld multi carrier award but at the moment dont have quite enough points for the whole itinerary. I am worried the key flights will disappear if i wait to book it all in one go.
Can i ring up now and book three sectors and pay the required mileage for that distance band, then say in a month when i have the points for the rest of the flights ring up and add the final two sectors to the original booking? If yes will the system be smart enough to charge me the difference between the intial mileage banding and the final mileage banding?
And is the cost to add the final two sectors $USD100 in total? From the terms and conditions i couldnt determine if it was $USD100 per flight added or $USD100 per change(which could encompass multiple new flights).
Thank you.
Can i ring up now and book three sectors and pay the required mileage for that distance band, then say in a month when i have the points for the rest of the flights ring up and add the final two sectors to the original booking? If yes will the system be smart enough to charge me the difference between the intial mileage banding and the final mileage banding?
And is the cost to add the final two sectors $USD100 in total? From the terms and conditions i couldnt determine if it was $USD100 per flight added or $USD100 per change(which could encompass multiple new flights).
Thank you.
Feb 26, 2018, 7:16 am
#605
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,167
May be wrong...but I think that if you’re making changes en-masse, it should just be a $100 reinsurance fee for the whole ticket. I’ve only done this once before and CX was able to hold partner award seats (same booking reference) and issue the new tickets (something SQ refused to do in a similar situation). Easier yet, if it’s CX/KA award seats, I’d reckon.
btw this re-issuance had been from a ow multi carrier award to a straight award, and the seats in question had been on LA/AA.
(I have, however done multiple oneworld carrier award tickets where the initial booking was on CX segments with partner segments added later on- easier since I had just kept the CX award segments on hold without issuing the tickets).
btw this re-issuance had been from a ow multi carrier award to a straight award, and the seats in question had been on LA/AA.
(I have, however done multiple oneworld carrier award tickets where the initial booking was on CX segments with partner segments added later on- easier since I had just kept the CX award segments on hold without issuing the tickets).
Feb 26, 2018, 7:28 am
#606
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,759
May be wrong...but I think that if you’re making changes en-masse, it should just be a $100 reinsurance fee for the whole ticket. I’ve only done this once before and CX was able to hold partner award seats (same booking reference) and issue the new tickets (something SQ refused to do in a similar situation). Easier yet, if it’s CX/KA award seats, I’d reckon.
btw this re-issuance had been from a ow multi carrier award to a straight award, and the seats in question had been on LA/AA.
(I have, however done multiple oneworld carrier award tickets where the initial booking was on CX segments with partner segments added later on- easier since I had just kept the CX award segments on hold without issuing the tickets).
btw this re-issuance had been from a ow multi carrier award to a straight award, and the seats in question had been on LA/AA.
(I have, however done multiple oneworld carrier award tickets where the initial booking was on CX segments with partner segments added later on- easier since I had just kept the CX award segments on hold without issuing the tickets).
Feb 26, 2018, 5:38 pm
#608
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
Was charged US$120 for this https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...practices.html
Feb 26, 2018, 8:53 pm
#610
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
First redeemed a standard AM award at Jan/2018. (say: A-B-A)
Is it possible to pay US$120 at later stage (say, Mar/2018) to:
1) convert the standard award into multi-carrier award? (from A-B-A to A-B-A-C-D-E-A)
2) and add sectors after 12 months of the first issuance date? (A-C-D-E-A fly between Feb-Mar/2019 for example)
Feb 26, 2018, 10:32 pm
#611
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,167
A more specific fictional scenario.
First redeemed a standard AM award at Jan/2018. (say: A-B-A)
Is it possible to pay US$120 at later stage (say, Mar/2018) to:
1) convert the standard award into multi-carrier award? (from A-B-A to A-B-A-C-D-E-A)
2) and add sectors after 12 months of the first issuance date? (A-C-D-E-A fly between Feb-Mar/2019 for example)
First redeemed a standard AM award at Jan/2018. (say: A-B-A)
Is it possible to pay US$120 at later stage (say, Mar/2018) to:
1) convert the standard award into multi-carrier award? (from A-B-A to A-B-A-C-D-E-A)
2) and add sectors after 12 months of the first issuance date? (A-C-D-E-A fly between Feb-Mar/2019 for example)
Feb 26, 2018, 11:42 pm
#612
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
The reason is simple. A standard award A-B-A costs 120K AMs. And a separate A-C-D-E-A standard award will cost another 120K award.
But if it is possible to make them into one multi-carrier, the required AM maybe able to bring down to 165/180K range.
Feb 27, 2018, 12:19 am
#613
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,167
Sorry, I am confused by the way points 1 & 2 are written. If what you are aiming to achieve, is simply to initially book A-B-A, and then add sectors to make it A-B-A-C-D-E-A, then it should be do-able.
If A-B-A is, say in late 2018, you could try to just reserve (and not ticket) A-B-A, and then call in once the ...A-C-D-E-A sectors are released, to add those and issue as a multi-carrier award. Doubt that you'll be able to do anything with a ticket if there's any travel already done (the initial A-B segment for example).
If you do issue the A-B-A ticket, but haven't traveled on that yet, you should be able to cancel the ticket and issue a new one while holding the A-B-A award seats and adding the other sectors.
If A-B-A is, say in late 2018, you could try to just reserve (and not ticket) A-B-A, and then call in once the ...A-C-D-E-A sectors are released, to add those and issue as a multi-carrier award. Doubt that you'll be able to do anything with a ticket if there's any travel already done (the initial A-B segment for example).
If you do issue the A-B-A ticket, but haven't traveled on that yet, you should be able to cancel the ticket and issue a new one while holding the A-B-A award seats and adding the other sectors.
Mar 7, 2018, 5:34 pm
#614
Join Date: May 2007
Programs: UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 5,447
Does anyone here have experience booking a partner sector into W on a multi-carrier J award? I tried to change a sector from Y to W in light of a schedule change and was denied, saying that W bookings are flat out not permitted on any multi-carrier award, and that in my case I had to be ticketed in either Y or J.
Edit: got told the same info by two phone agents, escalating to supervisor now.
Edit: got told the same info by two phone agents, escalating to supervisor now.
Last edited by dkc192; Mar 7, 2018 at 6:09 pm
Mar 8, 2018, 10:34 pm
#615
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 423
How long were the CX award segments kept on hold for you? But the fact that they kept it on hold and allowed you add segments as they became available is very good. In the case of Krisflyer's RTW ticket all segments need to be bookable at the same time, making it very hard to redeem such a ticket.
