Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
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oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Jan 29, 2018, 10:20 pm
#587
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 563
As a newbie and a retiree with time on my hands, I've read through most of these pages and appreciate everything that the experts have done with explaining the one world multi carrier awards. As a UK resident I am a bit limited in my options in trying to do a big Australian/NZ trip for 2 plus a few stopovers both ways but have come up with a draft trip plan which will take at least 6 weeks starting around this time next year:
LHR-AMSx-HKGo-CNSo-BNE//SYD-AKLo-KULo-CMBo-LHR using BA, CX,MH and UL.
As far as I can see that satisfies the rules with 5 stopovers, 1 transfer (but may need another and some more miles to get back from CMB to LHR) and 1 open jaw. Mileage is 24022 on gc mapper so 240k avios in J and room for a lengthy transfer routeing out of CMB if needed.
Anyone see any issues with the routeing or airlines used?
One thing I would appreciate feedback on is the timing of trying to book this. As the last flights will be 5 or 6 weeks at least after the first I presume I can't book until availability for the last flights is open, which will limit my possible options for the earlier flights but I guess I'll just have to hope that reward flights have not all been nabbed at that stage....?
Thanks
LHR-AMSx-HKGo-CNSo-BNE//SYD-AKLo-KULo-CMBo-LHR using BA, CX,MH and UL.
As far as I can see that satisfies the rules with 5 stopovers, 1 transfer (but may need another and some more miles to get back from CMB to LHR) and 1 open jaw. Mileage is 24022 on gc mapper so 240k avios in J and room for a lengthy transfer routeing out of CMB if needed.
Anyone see any issues with the routeing or airlines used?
One thing I would appreciate feedback on is the timing of trying to book this. As the last flights will be 5 or 6 weeks at least after the first I presume I can't book until availability for the last flights is open, which will limit my possible options for the earlier flights but I guess I'll just have to hope that reward flights have not all been nabbed at that stage....?
Thanks
Jan 30, 2018, 12:43 am
#588
Join Date: Jan 2018
Programs: ba,dl,qr
Posts: 8
Jan 30, 2018, 1:59 am
#589
Suspended
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rules are dedicated to the own program only.
Jan 30, 2018, 2:06 am
#590
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 563
For Avios multicarrier awards, try this thread in the BA forum:
Multi-Carrier Reward Flights
Multi-Carrier Reward Flights
Feb 11, 2018, 2:41 pm
#592
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Programs: BA Silver, EY Gold, HH Diamond, IHG Plat
Posts: 12,210
Not a OW award but recently booked AMS-DEL-LHR on 9W and was charged 130k but their website quotes 120k. Operator said something about it being a one way award rather then a return. Is that correct?
Feb 11, 2018, 6:00 pm
#593
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,098
Open jaw: must start and end in the same country. So your itinerary should be counted as 2 single trips.
Feb 11, 2018, 9:13 pm
#594
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, MLife Gold, Marriott Gold, HHonors Gold, Caesars Diamond, Amex Plat
Posts: 5,937
I know I posted about this somewhere but can't find it. We are booked HKG-ORD on a CX award. Then separate PNR on AA onward. I feel like someone said we could check bags through b/c all Oneworld. But DM to AA via twitter got the response "no you can't do that b/c separate PNR". I don't want to have to get bags from HKG-ORD flight and have to exit airside to recheck.
Feb 11, 2018, 11:00 pm
#595
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,170
HKG-ORD-XXX requires you to clear US CBP at ORD in any case. Since CX is the originating carrier, they will tag the bags through (their, not oneworld policy and that’s what counts since you’re checking in with CX), but you will still need to claim the bags at ORD, clear customs and drop them at the baggage re-check counter.
In the reverse, AA would not check bags through- their policy.
The unpublished oneworld policy was rescinded a while back.
In the reverse, AA would not check bags through- their policy.
The unpublished oneworld policy was rescinded a while back.
Last edited by jagmeets; Feb 12, 2018 at 7:35 am Reason: typos
Feb 12, 2018, 4:00 am
#596
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Feb 12, 2018, 6:34 am
#597
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, MLife Gold, Marriott Gold, HHonors Gold, Caesars Diamond, Amex Plat
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HKG-OrD-XXx required you to clear US CBP at ORD in any case. Since CX is the originating carrier, they will tag the bags through(their, not oneworld policy and that’s what counts since you’re checking in with CX), but you will still need to claim the bags at ORD, clear customs and drop them at the baggage re-check counter.
In the reverse, AA would not check bags through- their policy.
The unpublished oneworld policy was rescinded a while back.
In the reverse, AA would not check bags through- their policy.
The unpublished oneworld policy was rescinded a while back.
Feb 12, 2018, 10:11 am
#598
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: HKG
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Posts: 482
Just wonder does ex-HKG or ex-MNL turn out to have lower fuel surcharges (similar routings/same distances/flights in the other direction)on OW award?
Feb 12, 2018, 8:19 pm
#599
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