Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Jan 4, 2018, 11:23 pm
#571
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,799
Just had a redemption with awfully high fees. Couple of misconceptions by the agent helping me that I didn't bother to try to correct but wanted to ask you guys if it's any use fighting the fees I was charged?
Routing: LAX-oLIM//GRU-xJNB-xDOH-oSIN-HKG//SAN-LAX (required by the agent as I must return into the same city rather than country
)
I intend to add a HKG-JFK-HKG in june july for 2019 when the flights open up so not to fussed at the moment, probably will need to escalate to supervisor again for replacing transfers with stopovers, sigh!
Surcharges and taxes were a whopping 4412HKD which seems because they calculate YQ on a segment by segment basis instead of considering the taxes on GRU-JNB-DOH-SIN and charging me only once for QR YQ for JNB-DOH-SIN instead of twice, once for each segment.
Routing: LAX-oLIM//GRU-xJNB-xDOH-oSIN-HKG//SAN-LAX (required by the agent as I must return into the same city rather than country
)I intend to add a HKG-JFK-HKG in june july for 2019 when the flights open up so not to fussed at the moment, probably will need to escalate to supervisor again for replacing transfers with stopovers, sigh!
Surcharges and taxes were a whopping 4412HKD which seems because they calculate YQ on a segment by segment basis instead of considering the taxes on GRU-JNB-DOH-SIN and charging me only once for QR YQ for JNB-DOH-SIN instead of twice, once for each segment.
If you wish to avail yourself of national anti-YQ rules (BR, PH) then start from that country.
Jan 4, 2018, 11:41 pm
#572
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 147
Then again, looking at an earlier redemption MNL-KUL-oLHR-HEL-oSIN-oHKG-oMNL I was charged YR (AY carrier surcharges) of 1062 HKD. Total for that trip was HKD 3460 so just to caution you guys that ticketing in MNL only saved me the YQ of the MNL-KUL-LHR leg.
Last edited by waver99; Jan 4, 2018 at 11:48 pm
Jan 14, 2018, 12:54 am
#574
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,799
Jan 18, 2018, 3:23 am
#575
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 564
I thought that if one redeemed a multi-carrier award, some segments could be redeemed in a lower class? So if one redeemed a business class level multi-carrier award, a premium economy sector on British Airways would be fine? (I don't know if that is what BurnT had in mind). Or are premium economy seats not available full stop?
Jan 18, 2018, 5:21 am
#576
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,098
Yes you are allowed to redeem sectors in a lower class.
However, the Asia Miles required will still be calculated as if the whole ticket was in business.
However, the Asia Miles required will still be calculated as if the whole ticket was in business.
Jan 18, 2018, 5:45 am
#578
Suspended
Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,952
Am not asking not to get away YQ-free, what I meant was that the carrier surcharges charged to me does not seem to match what I can view on ITA matrix (or maybe it doesn't work that way), inputting segment by segment on BA Avios got me only around 2800 HKD total fees and taxes.
Then again, looking at an earlier redemption MNL-KUL-oLHR-HEL-oSIN-oHKG-oMNL I was charged YR (AY carrier surcharges) of 1062 HKD. Total for that trip was HKD 3460 so just to caution you guys that ticketing in MNL only saved me the YQ of the MNL-KUL-LHR leg.
Then again, looking at an earlier redemption MNL-KUL-oLHR-HEL-oSIN-oHKG-oMNL I was charged YR (AY carrier surcharges) of 1062 HKD. Total for that trip was HKD 3460 so just to caution you guys that ticketing in MNL only saved me the YQ of the MNL-KUL-LHR leg.
Jan 20, 2018, 5:46 pm
#579
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 11
Looking into my first oneworld multi carrier award booking and would appreciate advice on the following itinery!
SIN - xHND - oCTS - xHND - oTPE // SIN - xMEL - oHBA - xMEL - SIN
Carriers would be JAL and Qantas.
I would have 1 open jaw, 3 stopovers and 4 transits. I will have to ask the agents to ticket the 2 extra transit as a stopover.
Total distance : 13908
Miles : 115k for Business.
Any reason why this would not work?
Thank!
SIN - xHND - oCTS - xHND - oTPE // SIN - xMEL - oHBA - xMEL - SIN
Carriers would be JAL and Qantas.
I would have 1 open jaw, 3 stopovers and 4 transits. I will have to ask the agents to ticket the 2 extra transit as a stopover.
Total distance : 13908
Miles : 115k for Business.
Any reason why this would not work?
Thank!
Last edited by Autumm; Jan 20, 2018 at 5:59 pm
Jan 20, 2018, 10:35 pm
#580
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
Jan 20, 2018, 10:49 pm
#581
Join Date: Apr 2016
Programs: SQ VA QF CX JL NH AA
Posts: 18
Gday
Can the brains trust please review the below itinerary for legality as a One world multi carrier award ticket:
SYD-oNRT-oPUS//ICN-xDOH-oSLL-oDOH-oCTU-xHKG-ADL
First two sectors JL, next four QR, then KA then CX.
Was concerned on the JL sectors. Read way back in this thread that JL have to be return sectors within any itinerary but cant see this in the Wiki at the top. Am i missing something?
Thank you,
Pele1958.
Can the brains trust please review the below itinerary for legality as a One world multi carrier award ticket:
SYD-oNRT-oPUS//ICN-xDOH-oSLL-oDOH-oCTU-xHKG-ADL
First two sectors JL, next four QR, then KA then CX.
Was concerned on the JL sectors. Read way back in this thread that JL have to be return sectors within any itinerary but cant see this in the Wiki at the top. Am i missing something?
Thank you,
Pele1958.
Jan 20, 2018, 11:08 pm
#582
Suspended
Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,952
Gday
Can the brains trust please review the below itinerary for legality as a One world multi carrier award ticket:
SYD-oNRT-oPUS//ICN-xDOH-oSLL-oDOH-oCTU-xHKG-ADL
First two sectors JL, next four QR, then KA then CX.
Was concerned on the JL sectors. Read way back in this thread that JL have to be return sectors within any itinerary but cant see this in the Wiki at the top. Am i missing something?
Thank you,
Pele1958.
Can the brains trust please review the below itinerary for legality as a One world multi carrier award ticket:
SYD-oNRT-oPUS//ICN-xDOH-oSLL-oDOH-oCTU-xHKG-ADL
First two sectors JL, next four QR, then KA then CX.
Was concerned on the JL sectors. Read way back in this thread that JL have to be return sectors within any itinerary but cant see this in the Wiki at the top. Am i missing something?
Thank you,
Pele1958.
Jan 23, 2018, 2:46 am
#583
Join Date: Apr 2016
Programs: SQ VA QF CX JL NH AA
Posts: 18
Gday
Thank you kaka.
Another question: how would i go about adding an infant to a one world multi carrier award? And how would i estimate the cost? If anyone has done this or has any data points for costs for their itinerary i would be glad to hear.
Thank you.
Pele1958.
Thank you kaka.
Another question: how would i go about adding an infant to a one world multi carrier award? And how would i estimate the cost? If anyone has done this or has any data points for costs for their itinerary i would be glad to hear.
Thank you.
Pele1958.
Jan 26, 2018, 10:20 am
#584
Join Date: Jan 2018
Programs: ba,dl,qr
Posts: 8
As a newbie and a retiree with time on my hands, I've read through most of these pages and appreciate everything that the experts have done with explaining the one world multi carrier awards. As a UK resident I am a bit limited in my options in trying to do a big Australian/NZ trip for 2 plus a few stopovers both ways but have come up with a draft trip plan which will take at least 6 weeks starting around this time next year:
LHR-AMSx-HKGo-CNSo-BNE//SYD-AKLo-KULo-CMBo-LHR using BA, CX,MH and UL.
As far as I can see that satisfies the rules with 5 stopovers, 1 transfer (but may need another and some more miles to get back from CMB to LHR) and 1 open jaw. Mileage is 24022 on gc mapper so 240k avios in J and room for a lengthy transfer routeing out of CMB if needed.
Anyone see any issues with the routeing or airlines used?
One thing I would appreciate feedback on is the timing of trying to book this. As the last flights will be 5 or 6 weeks at least after the first I presume I can't book until availability for the last flights is open, which will limit my possible options for the earlier flights but I guess I'll just have to hope that reward flights have not all been nabbed at that stage....?
Thanks
LHR-AMSx-HKGo-CNSo-BNE//SYD-AKLo-KULo-CMBo-LHR using BA, CX,MH and UL.
As far as I can see that satisfies the rules with 5 stopovers, 1 transfer (but may need another and some more miles to get back from CMB to LHR) and 1 open jaw. Mileage is 24022 on gc mapper so 240k avios in J and room for a lengthy transfer routeing out of CMB if needed.
Anyone see any issues with the routeing or airlines used?
One thing I would appreciate feedback on is the timing of trying to book this. As the last flights will be 5 or 6 weeks at least after the first I presume I can't book until availability for the last flights is open, which will limit my possible options for the earlier flights but I guess I'll just have to hope that reward flights have not all been nabbed at that stage....?
Thanks
Jan 26, 2018, 11:06 am
#585
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
Gday
Thank you kaka.
Another question: how would i go about adding an infant to a one world multi carrier award? And how would i estimate the cost? If anyone has done this or has any data points for costs for their itinerary i would be glad to hear.
Thank you.
Pele1958.
Thank you kaka.
Another question: how would i go about adding an infant to a one world multi carrier award? And how would i estimate the cost? If anyone has done this or has any data points for costs for their itinerary i would be glad to hear.
Thank you.
Pele1958.