Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Jul 31, 2017, 6:36 pm
#436
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No it's not. It's finding the turnaround to which the both the route going to that destination and the route going from that destination are lowest.
Illustrative example:
HKG-MEL-SYD-HKG is Zone D HKG-MEL-SYD or MEL-SYD-HKG >5,000mi
But HKG-MEL-CBR-SYD-HKG is Zone C because HKG-MEL-CBR and CBR-SYD-HKG are <5,000 mi.
The turnaround point can be a stopover, transit or open jaw beginning or end (frequent erroneous belief is turnaround point is an additional stopover quota - it is not. Two stopover two transit two open jaw still apply)
In your case unfortunately neither making DPS nor NRT the turnaround point works for you http://www.gcmap.com/dist?P=mem-clt-...ps-nrt-dfw-mem . You're still exceeding 10,000mi either way.
Illustrative example:
HKG-MEL-SYD-HKG is Zone D HKG-MEL-SYD or MEL-SYD-HKG >5,000mi
But HKG-MEL-CBR-SYD-HKG is Zone C because HKG-MEL-CBR and CBR-SYD-HKG are <5,000 mi.
The turnaround point can be a stopover, transit or open jaw beginning or end (frequent erroneous belief is turnaround point is an additional stopover quota - it is not. Two stopover two transit two open jaw still apply)
In your case unfortunately neither making DPS nor NRT the turnaround point works for you http://www.gcmap.com/dist?P=mem-clt-...ps-nrt-dfw-mem . You're still exceeding 10,000mi either way.
MEM-CLT-ORD(or JFK)- HKG [stopover]
HKG-DPS [stopover ? turnabout ?]
DPS-HKG-NRT [stopover or open jaw? this could alt be DPS-KUL-NRT]
NRT-ORD(or JFK)-CLT-MEM
I need to get 3 carriers in, I think to qualify for the multi-carrier award. If I'm doing this right, I think it would be 160k in J. If this doesn't work, can anyone suggest an itinerary that will? Can go to 220k per ticket, but I need 5x pax (will likely have to be split like 3x J and 2x F or something b/c hard to find 5x on these flights). I'm seeing some sporadic availability on CX in J for 5, but very rare to find even find 3 J and 2 F on JAL flights.
Aug 3, 2017, 3:31 am
#438
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Upgrading one sector not allowed.
And don't redeem a separate business ticket for that sector only - because all sectors on a multi-carrier award needs to be used in sequence. You cannot skip a sector.
Downgrading is allowed (e.g. a business class ticket but for one sector the aircraft only has economy class or if business class is full - then you can fly in economy for that sector.)
And don't redeem a separate business ticket for that sector only - because all sectors on a multi-carrier award needs to be used in sequence. You cannot skip a sector.
Downgrading is allowed (e.g. a business class ticket but for one sector the aircraft only has economy class or if business class is full - then you can fly in economy for that sector.)
Aug 3, 2017, 4:41 am
#439
Join Date: Jul 2017
Programs: MH, CX, SQ
Posts: 9
Upgrading one sector not allowed.
And don't redeem a separate business ticket for that sector only - because all sectors on a multi-carrier award needs to be used in sequence. You cannot skip a sector.
Downgrading is allowed (e.g. a business class ticket but for one sector the aircraft only has economy class or if business class is full - then you can fly in economy for that sector.)
And don't redeem a separate business ticket for that sector only - because all sectors on a multi-carrier award needs to be used in sequence. You cannot skip a sector.
Downgrading is allowed (e.g. a business class ticket but for one sector the aircraft only has economy class or if business class is full - then you can fly in economy for that sector.)
Aug 3, 2017, 10:24 am
#440
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I generally check AA availability on BA website. If it's available on BA website, then I've had no problems redeeming it with Asia Miles.
Aug 7, 2017, 9:47 am
#442
Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: BAEC GOLD
Posts: 283
Upgrading one sector not allowed.
And don't redeem a separate business ticket for that sector only - because all sectors on a multi-carrier award needs to be used in sequence. You cannot skip a sector.
Downgrading is allowed (e.g. a business class ticket but for one sector the aircraft only has economy class or if business class is full - then you can fly in economy for that sector.)
And don't redeem a separate business ticket for that sector only - because all sectors on a multi-carrier award needs to be used in sequence. You cannot skip a sector.
Downgrading is allowed (e.g. a business class ticket but for one sector the aircraft only has economy class or if business class is full - then you can fly in economy for that sector.)
Aug 7, 2017, 7:32 pm
#443
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Should be fine - but you'll have to pay the change fee (?US$40) and the change in taxes (if applicable)
Aug 11, 2017, 5:36 pm
#444
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Can someone tell me what the change fee would be to add a USA domestic leg onto a CX inbound flight? There will be no additional miles b/c in same mileage zone/range. 5 tickets total (not sure if first one is more $ like with some airlines).
Aug 11, 2017, 7:06 pm
#445
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That involves cancelling your ticket (US$120) and the taxes will be refunded to you. You then issue a new ticket.
Note that CX cannot guarantee that partner airline seat availability once you cancel - they can (usually) only hold seats for CX/KA flights only. So you might not be able to book back any non-CX/KA flights once you cancel.
Aug 11, 2017, 7:20 pm
#446
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Adding a flight (which was originally not there) means you are changing the itinerary completely.
That involves cancelling your ticket (US$120) and the taxes will be refunded to you. You then issue a new ticket.
Note that CX cannot guarantee that partner airline seat availability once you cancel - they can (usually) only hold seats for CX/KA flights only. So you might not be able to book back any non-CX/KA flights once you cancel.
That involves cancelling your ticket (US$120) and the taxes will be refunded to you. You then issue a new ticket.
Note that CX cannot guarantee that partner airline seat availability once you cancel - they can (usually) only hold seats for CX/KA flights only. So you might not be able to book back any non-CX/KA flights once you cancel.
While I'm thinking of it: one in our party is booked in economy for the shorter leg of our trip (though still nearly 5 hours) but paying point-equivalent of J ticket b/c long haul in J. Obviously would like to try to get that short haul in J, too. Is there a waitlist for such? If a J opens up, what would that change fee be (since ticket already booked as J w/ points)?
Aug 11, 2017, 7:25 pm
#447
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Definitely waitlist for the J flight - but waitlisting is only available for CX/KA.
There will be a change fee of US$40.
There will be a change fee of US$40.
Aug 11, 2017, 7:31 pm
#448
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Also, since you are well-versed in CX, can you help me with something? I'd really appreciate: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28679029-post25.html
Aug 11, 2017, 9:00 pm
#449
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YES. Awesome. $40 is def worth it, though it is a "regional" flight DPS-HKG. On CX, so that's good. How do I waitlist?
Also, since you are well-versed in CX, can you help me with something? I'd really appreciate: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28679029-post25.html
Also, since you are well-versed in CX, can you help me with something? I'd really appreciate: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28679029-post25.html
Aug 13, 2017, 5:48 pm
#450
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Where can I find the $40 change fee for CX to move from econ to business (paid points for J for all/remainder of journey)? I only see $150 on their policies page.
Also curious what a date change fee would be for an award ticket (includes a stopover on original and would also on new dates).
Also curious what a date change fee would be for an award ticket (includes a stopover on original and would also on new dates).