Nov 23, 2013, 9:04 pm
Last edit by: maortega15
The Cathay Pacific Inflight Experience FAQs.
For information on CX equipment registration, new addition and retrofit status, and which equipment operate to which destinations:
Fleet, Route, Configuration Details about entire CX and KA Fleet:
* CX and KA Fleet: Cathay Pacific (CX) and Cathay Dragon (KA) Fleet, Route and Configuration Guide
I’m looking at Cathay’s schedules and don't know what “Equipment” is meant by the three letter code. What do all the different three letter alphanumeric codes mean?
Cathay's schedules only display the IATA standard three letter alphanumeric codes for aircraft type (i.e. 773, 772, 333, 350 and 77W) rather than Cathay's own three letter alphanumeric equipment codes. The table below lists Cathay's internal three letter equipment codes, together with a breakdown of the types of seats installed on that particular aircraft.
See this link for pictures of the different types of business class seats: Cathay Pacific Business Class seats
Which of Cathay’s aircraft operate where?
We unofficially divide Cathay's aircraft into two types of product:
We also unofficially divide Cathay's destination network into three zones:
Generally, aircraft are deployed as follows:
1. If you are flying to a Long Haul zoned destination, your flight will ALWAYS be operated by a Long Haul aircraft.
Sometimes when looking at the schedule, it will show that your aircraft is 773 for a long haul destination. So long as you are flying to or from a Long Haul zoned destination your flight will ALWAYS be on a 777-300ER with Long Haul Product. Cathay's regional "773" has derated engines and it is simply physically impossible for them to fly to Europe or North America.
2. If you are flying to a Medium Haul zoned destination, the type of product on your flight will DEPEND on your specific destination and flight number.
Certain destinations are always served by Long Haul product, while other destinations might be served by Long Haul product on certain flights only. Generally these flights are "sticky", i.e. they are always scheduled to be operated by Long Haul products. However, unlike Long Haul destinations, these "sticky" Medium Haul zoned Long Haul product flights may sometimes, but rarely be subject to aircraft swaps to a Regional product due to operational (tech problems) requirements.
3. If you are flying to a Regional zoned destination, you may get EITHER a Regional product or a Long Haul product.
Certain regional destinations have "sticky" flights operated by Long Haul product; other regional destinations see Long Haul product on an ad hoc basis.
What is the best way to definitively determine which aircraft is scheduled on the particular flight I want to take?
Look at the seat map of the aircraft assigned to your flight. This can be done in one of two ways:
1. If you have an existing booking and are flying in Business Class, log in to Manage My Booking on cathaypacific.com. Pull up the seat map (select my seat) and look at the seat map (using the guide below) to ascertain the equipment currently assigned to your flight.
2. If you have not made a booking, or are travelling in Economy Class (and hence you do not have access to a JCL seat map) you can still use the purchases page to ascertain the configuration of the generic aircraft code you are given. Make a dummy booking for Business Class and then at the entry of traveller's details page to choose a seat, which will bring up the seat maps. The trick is to identify the layout: any aircraft which has more than two seats windowside (e.g. 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 configuration) in Business Class will be Regional product.
Be warned that aircraft switches between type are extremely common on regional flights, depending on maintenance requirements.
Will I get an amenity kit in First/Business class on my flight?
Long haul zoned flights: Yes
Medium Haul: Only on overnight sectors
Regional: No even if your regional flight is an overnight redeye.
Business Class Amenity Kits
First Class Amenity Kits
What is considered a regional flight and medium haul flight
Regional - Mainland China (PEK, PVG), Japan (CTS, FUK, KIX, HND, NGO, NRT), Indonesia (CGK, DPS, SUB), Malaysia (KUL), Philippines (CEB, MNL), Singapore (SIN), South Korea (ICN), Thailand (BKK)
Medium haul - India (BOM, DEL, HYD, MAA), Maldives (MLE), Middle East (BAH, DXB, RUH), Sri Lanka (CMB)
What will I eat on my flight?
Here are the most recent links to menus:
Links to menus
Discuss your meal options here
What are the seats like on Cathay Pacific?
You can find details and pictures of the different classes of travel at the Cathay Pacific website: Travel Classes
Where can I see seat maps for Cathay Pacific?
Cathay Pacific Seat Maps
What are the best seats in First Class?
777
When flying long haul business class on a 777, is it better to sit in the "mini cabin" at the front, or in the second section?
There are a number of threads on this topic, which is open to personal opinion. Please do a search on the terms "mini cabin" "dorm room". These threads have some common opinions:
12D or 12J or the other part of J
12A or 16K on 77W New J Class?
How to get seat assignment for 11D & 11G on the 777-300ER?
What are the best Business Class seats on a A330 (long haul)?
The A330s have the "Reverse Herringbone" seats, also referred to as "Cirrus" or "New Business Class". The seat configuration is 1-2-1. The window seats are angled towards the window, and the middle pair of seats are angled towards each other. There are two cabins - rows 11-18 in Zone A between doors 1 and 2; and rows 19-22 in Zone B just behind door 2. The second cabin is smaller but there will be foot traffic from Economy Class passengers during door 2 during boarding. Row 18 is missing a window.
What are the best Business Class seats on a 777 (long haul)?
777s have the "Reverse Herringbone" seats, also referred to as "Cirrus" or "New Business Class". The seat configuration is 1-2-1. The window seats are angled towards the window, and the middle pair of seats are angled towards each other.
What are the best seats in Regional Business Class?
There is only one cabin in Regional Business Class. Generally you should have a look at the seat maps and find a seat that pleases you based on proximity to galleys and lavatories.
What are the best Business Class seats for a couple: Long Haul New Business Class?
The center seats D/G allow couples to be able to face each other and have a conversation over the partition. You are able to slide your seats forward to make conversation even easier, and then when you want some separate time, you can slide the seats back.
Some people prefer A/D or G/K seats as couples even though there is an aisle between you, as these seats allow you to physically visit the other person by crossing the aisle.
Also check this thread for opinions: New Business Class seating for couples
Best seats on 777-300ER Thread
Can I check my baggage through when connecting to another airline?
Yes. From Cathay's FAQ:
As a courtesy, Cathay Pacific and Cathay Dragon will through-check you and your bags to your final destination if you are travelling on separate tickets involving connections with our interline partners. However through-check may not be possible on their return journey if your travel begins with an airline that does not to provide separate ticket through-check service.
Passengers holding connecting itineraries booked on a single ticket or connecting between Cathay Pacific Group operated flights will be through-checked to their final destination regardless.
CX/KA has interline agreements with the following airlines. This means that baggage may be checked through to final destination even if travelling on separate tickets.
ELECTRONIC INTERLINE CARRIER AGREEMENTS-CX
INTERLINE CARRIER CODES :
MAY CHECK BAGGAGE TO
AA AB AC AE AF AH AI AM AS AT AV AY AZ BA
BD BG BI BL BP BR BT B6 B7 CA CI CM CO CZ
DL EI EK ET EY FI FJ FM GF GN HA HG HM
HR IB IC IG IR JC JJ JL JO JP JQ JU KA KC
KE KL KM KQ KU KW LA LG LH LO LP LR LX LY
MD ME MF MH MI MS MU MX NF NH NU NX NZ OA
OK OM OS OU OZ PG PK PR PS PX QF QR RA SA
SB SC SK SN SQ SU SV S7 TA TG TK TM TN TP
UA UL UN US UU VN VS VX WS WY W5 XL ZH 4M
9W
For information on CX equipment registration, new addition and retrofit status, and which equipment operate to which destinations:
Fleet, Route, Configuration Details about entire CX and KA Fleet:
* CX and KA Fleet: Cathay Pacific (CX) and Cathay Dragon (KA) Fleet, Route and Configuration Guide
I’m looking at Cathay’s schedules and don't know what “Equipment” is meant by the three letter code. What do all the different three letter alphanumeric codes mean?
Cathay's schedules only display the IATA standard three letter alphanumeric codes for aircraft type (i.e. 773, 772, 333, 350 and 77W) rather than Cathay's own three letter alphanumeric equipment codes. The table below lists Cathay's internal three letter equipment codes, together with a breakdown of the types of seats installed on that particular aircraft.
Code:
Code Operates First Class Business Class Premium Econ. Economy Class
LONGHAUL
33E Long Haul - Cirrus No Cradle
33K Long Haul - Cirrus Yes Cradle
35G Long Haul - New Cirrus Yes New cradle
77G Long Haul - Cirrus Yes Cradle
77H Long Haul Suite Cirrus Yes Cradle
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REGIONAL
33P Regional - Regional No Hard Shell/Cradle
772Z Regional No Regional No Cradle
73Z Regional No Regional No Hard shell
Which of Cathay’s aircraft operate where?
We unofficially divide Cathay's aircraft into two types of product:
- Long Haul (77G, 77H, 33E, 33K and 35G); and
- Regional (33P, B772Z, 73Z).
We also unofficially divide Cathay's destination network into three zones:
- Long Haul (Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand);
- Medium Haul (Middle East and India); and
- Regional (rest of Asia).
Generally, aircraft are deployed as follows:
1. If you are flying to a Long Haul zoned destination, your flight will ALWAYS be operated by a Long Haul aircraft.
Sometimes when looking at the schedule, it will show that your aircraft is 773 for a long haul destination. So long as you are flying to or from a Long Haul zoned destination your flight will ALWAYS be on a 777-300ER with Long Haul Product. Cathay's regional "773" has derated engines and it is simply physically impossible for them to fly to Europe or North America.
2. If you are flying to a Medium Haul zoned destination, the type of product on your flight will DEPEND on your specific destination and flight number.
Certain destinations are always served by Long Haul product, while other destinations might be served by Long Haul product on certain flights only. Generally these flights are "sticky", i.e. they are always scheduled to be operated by Long Haul products. However, unlike Long Haul destinations, these "sticky" Medium Haul zoned Long Haul product flights may sometimes, but rarely be subject to aircraft swaps to a Regional product due to operational (tech problems) requirements.
3. If you are flying to a Regional zoned destination, you may get EITHER a Regional product or a Long Haul product.
Certain regional destinations have "sticky" flights operated by Long Haul product; other regional destinations see Long Haul product on an ad hoc basis.
What is the best way to definitively determine which aircraft is scheduled on the particular flight I want to take?
Look at the seat map of the aircraft assigned to your flight. This can be done in one of two ways:
1. If you have an existing booking and are flying in Business Class, log in to Manage My Booking on cathaypacific.com. Pull up the seat map (select my seat) and look at the seat map (using the guide below) to ascertain the equipment currently assigned to your flight.
2. If you have not made a booking, or are travelling in Economy Class (and hence you do not have access to a JCL seat map) you can still use the purchases page to ascertain the configuration of the generic aircraft code you are given. Make a dummy booking for Business Class and then at the entry of traveller's details page to choose a seat, which will bring up the seat maps. The trick is to identify the layout: any aircraft which has more than two seats windowside (e.g. 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 configuration) in Business Class will be Regional product.
Be warned that aircraft switches between type are extremely common on regional flights, depending on maintenance requirements.
Will I get an amenity kit in First/Business class on my flight?
Long haul zoned flights: Yes
Medium Haul: Only on overnight sectors
Regional: No even if your regional flight is an overnight redeye.
Business Class Amenity Kits
First Class Amenity Kits
What is considered a regional flight and medium haul flight
Regional - Mainland China (PEK, PVG), Japan (CTS, FUK, KIX, HND, NGO, NRT), Indonesia (CGK, DPS, SUB), Malaysia (KUL), Philippines (CEB, MNL), Singapore (SIN), South Korea (ICN), Thailand (BKK)
Medium haul - India (BOM, DEL, HYD, MAA), Maldives (MLE), Middle East (BAH, DXB, RUH), Sri Lanka (CMB)
What will I eat on my flight?
Here are the most recent links to menus:
Links to menus
Discuss your meal options here
What are the seats like on Cathay Pacific?
You can find details and pictures of the different classes of travel at the Cathay Pacific website: Travel Classes
Where can I see seat maps for Cathay Pacific?
Cathay Pacific Seat Maps
What are the best seats in First Class?
777
1A, 1K, 2A and 2K are essentially the same seat. Similarly 1D and 2D are similar to each other.
Row 1 is closer to the galley so may be slightly noisier during meal times. The entry for suites 1D and 2D are on the right-hand aisle (i.e. the same aisle as 1K and 2K). This means that 1A and 2A could have less foot traffic. However, sometimes that this is compensated for by cabin crew using the left-hand aisle when they need to access the forward galley.
Row 1 is closer to the galley so may be slightly noisier during meal times. The entry for suites 1D and 2D are on the right-hand aisle (i.e. the same aisle as 1K and 2K). This means that 1A and 2A could have less foot traffic. However, sometimes that this is compensated for by cabin crew using the left-hand aisle when they need to access the forward galley.
When flying long haul business class on a 777, is it better to sit in the "mini cabin" at the front, or in the second section?
There are a number of threads on this topic, which is open to personal opinion. Please do a search on the terms "mini cabin" "dorm room". These threads have some common opinions:
12D or 12J or the other part of J
12A or 16K on 77W New J Class?
How to get seat assignment for 11D & 11G on the 777-300ER?
What are the best Business Class seats on a A330 (long haul)?
The A330s have the "Reverse Herringbone" seats, also referred to as "Cirrus" or "New Business Class". The seat configuration is 1-2-1. The window seats are angled towards the window, and the middle pair of seats are angled towards each other. There are two cabins - rows 11-18 in Zone A between doors 1 and 2; and rows 19-22 in Zone B just behind door 2. The second cabin is smaller but there will be foot traffic from Economy Class passengers during door 2 during boarding. Row 18 is missing a window.
What are the best Business Class seats on a 777 (long haul)?
777s have the "Reverse Herringbone" seats, also referred to as "Cirrus" or "New Business Class". The seat configuration is 1-2-1. The window seats are angled towards the window, and the middle pair of seats are angled towards each other.
77G (3-class aircraft without First class)
Row 19 is missing both windows.
77H
There are two cabins; a main cabin in Zone B between doors 2 and 3 consisting of rows 15-26 and a smaller "mini-cabin" forward of doors 2 and behind the First Class cabin consisting of rows 11-12. Some like the quiet and privacy of the mini-cabin; while others prefer the spaciousness of the main Business Class cabin.
Note missing windows on the 77H as follows:
15A is missing both windows.
16K is missing one window.
21AK is missing the window nearest the pax's head.
24AK is missing the window nearest the pax's feet.
Row 19 is missing both windows.
77H
There are two cabins; a main cabin in Zone B between doors 2 and 3 consisting of rows 15-26 and a smaller "mini-cabin" forward of doors 2 and behind the First Class cabin consisting of rows 11-12. Some like the quiet and privacy of the mini-cabin; while others prefer the spaciousness of the main Business Class cabin.
Note missing windows on the 77H as follows:
15A is missing both windows.
16K is missing one window.
21AK is missing the window nearest the pax's head.
24AK is missing the window nearest the pax's feet.
What are the best seats in Regional Business Class?
There is only one cabin in Regional Business Class. Generally you should have a look at the seat maps and find a seat that pleases you based on proximity to galleys and lavatories.
What are the best Business Class seats for a couple: Long Haul New Business Class?
The center seats D/G allow couples to be able to face each other and have a conversation over the partition. You are able to slide your seats forward to make conversation even easier, and then when you want some separate time, you can slide the seats back.
Some people prefer A/D or G/K seats as couples even though there is an aisle between you, as these seats allow you to physically visit the other person by crossing the aisle.
Also check this thread for opinions: New Business Class seating for couples
Best seats on 777-300ER Thread
Can I check my baggage through when connecting to another airline?
Yes. From Cathay's FAQ:
As a courtesy, Cathay Pacific and Cathay Dragon will through-check you and your bags to your final destination if you are travelling on separate tickets involving connections with our interline partners. However through-check may not be possible on their return journey if your travel begins with an airline that does not to provide separate ticket through-check service.
Passengers holding connecting itineraries booked on a single ticket or connecting between Cathay Pacific Group operated flights will be through-checked to their final destination regardless.
ELECTRONIC INTERLINE CARRIER AGREEMENTS-CX
INTERLINE CARRIER CODES :
MAY CHECK BAGGAGE TO
AA AB AC AE AF AH AI AM AS AT AV AY AZ BA
BD BG BI BL BP BR BT B6 B7 CA CI CM CO CZ
DL EI EK ET EY FI FJ FM GF GN HA HG HM
HR IB IC IG IR JC JJ JL JO JP JQ JU KA KC
KE KL KM KQ KU KW LA LG LH LO LP LR LX LY
MD ME MF MH MI MS MU MX NF NH NU NX NZ OA
OK OM OS OU OZ PG PK PR PS PX QF QR RA SA
SB SC SK SN SQ SU SV S7 TA TG TK TM TN TP
UA UL UN US UU VN VS VX WS WY W5 XL ZH 4M
9W
Cathay Pacific Experience / Seats / Interline / Baggage FAQs
Jan 16, 2015, 1:54 pm
#47
Join Date: Jan 2011
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We have two flights to CDG. One with F, one without. Majority would go for F because of the added width when sleeping, the privacy and exclusivity. There's also dining on demand in F where you can eat whatever is on the menu when you want.
Jan 16, 2015, 2:01 pm
#48
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Thanks, I think I'll go with F to HKG, but my return flight is on a plane without First. It's a day flight so that should be ok. Do they still have the nice Shanghai Tang PJ's and Krug now in 2015?
Jan 20, 2015, 6:51 pm
#50
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Jan 22, 2015, 4:34 pm
#52
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: DTW - Rochester Hills, MI
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Posts: 715
For example:
PJ's (nice because they appear "free", but would you buy them in a store?)
Krug and cavier and ultra-premium booze (nice because they appear "free", but would you pay extra just for that? And how much of that do you really consume in a flight?)
Dine on Demand (is that really such a big deal?)
Mattress and Duvet (Yes, this is nice.)
Access to The Wing
Service not much different (Better of course, because two FA for 6 PAX. But they still mostly hide in the galley waiting for you to push the call button.)
If you look at this by mileage burn, there is a 50% premium for first class. I do the math something like this: A J ticket could cost perhaps $6K, or 145,000 Asiamiles, which puts the value of the miles at around $0.04 each.
A "F" ticket is 220,000 miles... or a 75,000 premium. At $0.04 per mile, that values the upgrade at $3000.00. Given that the J product is pretty good... is the list above worth $3K to move to F?
On the other hand, if you are using AA or AL miles, the upgrade is SUBSTANTIALLY less, and probably worth it. 140K miles for F, or something like that, vs. 100K for J. And the miles cost less. And it goes without saying that if you have oodles of miles to burn, then for sure use them up on F!
I have done F a number of times simply because they were the only seats available at the time of booking. I have tried to "downgrade" to J prior to the flight because for the same miles I can fly 3 roundtrips in J, or 2 in F. (Have not been able to downgrade because no guarantee of a return flight in J, and then I'm paying for one-way awards in both J and F, which are something like 80K and 130K, or 210,000 miles total. For the extra 10K, I'll definitely choose F roundtrip! :-D)
Jan 22, 2015, 8:52 pm
#53
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I did it mainly for the spacious seat and a good sleep. And using BA Avios it's not that expensive. Just 30K more than biz.
However the Wing isn't really a benefit as I have OW Emerald and can access the Wing even on the cheapest eco ticket.
However the Wing isn't really a benefit as I have OW Emerald and can access the Wing even on the cheapest eco ticket.
Jan 22, 2015, 9:02 pm
#54
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,632
On AA, it's 135K round trip NA-HKG in F vs. 110K in J (round trip). A good deal, and yes, it is really nice to be able to take advantage of it when F is available but not J. Some think this anomaly will go away when the AAdvantage program is revised after the AA-US merger is complete.
Last edited by SeeBuyFly; Jan 24, 2015 at 10:13 am
Jan 24, 2015, 10:03 am
#55
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On AA, it's only 125K round trip NA-HKG in F vs. 100K in J. A good deal, and yes, it is really nice to be able to take advantage of it when F is available but not J. Some think this anomaly will go away when the AAdvantage program is revised after the AA-US merger is complete.
Using Alaska Miles, F is 70,000 OW, J 50,000, so incremental miles are a bit more - 20,000 One Way
Feb 16, 2015, 7:48 pm
#56
Join Date: Jan 2012
Programs: QFF Platinum (OWE) VA Gold
Posts: 56
Could someone please share their view on best J seat on
CX 777-300 ER (77W) 3 class
I have booked 11K as recommended by Aust. Bus Traveller but on some forums they suggest rows 15/16 (A/K)
Thanks in advance
CX 777-300 ER (77W) 3 class
I have booked 11K as recommended by Aust. Bus Traveller but on some forums they suggest rows 15/16 (A/K)
Thanks in advance
Feb 16, 2015, 9:36 pm
#57
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 6,790
I have no personal experience with that configuration, but from the SeatGuru site
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...77-300ER_A.php
either 11K or 16K seem pretty good. They warn against 15A.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...77-300ER_A.php
either 11K or 16K seem pretty good. They warn against 15A.
Feb 17, 2015, 10:55 am
#58
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I have no personal experience with that configuration, but from the SeatGuru site
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...77-300ER_A.php
either 11K or 16K seem pretty good. They warn against 15A.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...77-300ER_A.php
either 11K or 16K seem pretty good. They warn against 15A.
Mar 4, 2015, 8:59 am
#59
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Location: Eastern Washington
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Am flying on the 777-300 'new regional product' (77z) with no FC. I am in business class. Looking at configuration it shows seating as 2-3-2. Looked at seat guru and not much help other than eliminating last row and mixed reviews on first row. Flight is long at 12 hours.
I am traveling solo and typically prefer the aisle. How full is business class on these flights typically? Flying HKG-JNB Wondering if I should pick an aisle in the middle section and hope that no one sits next to me to help avoid them stepping over me? Seems that middle seat of 3 would be least exciting seat and not as much demand as a window seat.
Can't find much opinions/reviews of BC on this aircraft.
I am traveling solo and typically prefer the aisle. How full is business class on these flights typically? Flying HKG-JNB Wondering if I should pick an aisle in the middle section and hope that no one sits next to me to help avoid them stepping over me? Seems that middle seat of 3 would be least exciting seat and not as much demand as a window seat.
Can't find much opinions/reviews of BC on this aircraft.
Mar 4, 2015, 9:12 am
#60
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Some hole
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Am flying on the 777-300 'new regional product' (77z) with no FC. I am in business class. Looking at configuration it shows seating as 2-3-2. Looked at seat guru and not much help other than eliminating last row and mixed reviews on first row. Flight is long at 12 hours.
I am traveling solo and typically prefer the aisle. How full is business class on these flights typically? Flying HKG-JNB Wondering if I should pick an aisle in the middle section and hope that no one sits next to me to help avoid them stepping over me? Seems that middle seat of 3 would be least exciting seat and not as much demand as a window seat.
Can't find much opinions/reviews of BC on this aircraft.
I am traveling solo and typically prefer the aisle. How full is business class on these flights typically? Flying HKG-JNB Wondering if I should pick an aisle in the middle section and hope that no one sits next to me to help avoid them stepping over me? Seems that middle seat of 3 would be least exciting seat and not as much demand as a window seat.
Can't find much opinions/reviews of BC on this aircraft.