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epigram Nov 28, 2025 8:34 am

77P super dense
 
Experienced this short haul workhorse today.

No direct aisle access and the dreaded middle seat. There was a poor lady who had to endure a guy climbing over her some 7 times in the course of 3.5 hours. Hard not to notice because he always ran to the toilet.

Recliner was okay for a short nap. Not sure how it will be for a red eye.

IFE was responsive and there was USB-C charging though I only had a USB-A cable. Oops.

It was a fair compromise for a one stop flight that cost less than half the SQ fare for a non stop flight.

percysmith Nov 28, 2025 6:07 pm

That's the aircraft I said I'll make paper funerary offerings of and burn for people I don't like.

pf007 Nov 28, 2025 7:32 pm

Agree with your post title, literally "77P super stupid" :D

percysmith Nov 28, 2025 7:37 pm

P in Canto is party or even an orgy, the latter of which is the feeling I get whenever I get a broad-shouldered seat neighbour on them.

In its defence, it's not as knee-capping as the 32Q.

NZflyer777 Nov 28, 2025 8:20 pm

The 77P is the only aircraft that enables Cathay to complete against LCCs with full service.

epigram Nov 28, 2025 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 37453263)
The 77P is the only aircraft that enables Cathay to complete against LCCs with full service.

It was incredible the number of people boarding. And there didn't seem to be enough toilets. The entire front cabin only had 1 toilet

CXYYZ Nov 28, 2025 10:10 pm


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 37453354)
It was incredible the number of people boarding. And there didn't seem to be enough toilets. The entire front cabin only had 1 toilet

There are two lavs for the 77P J cabin, one front-left, the other rear-right. On the right side aisle, there is a lav status light/sign at the back of the cabin.

See here: https://www.aerolopa.com/cx-77p

epigram Nov 29, 2025 12:41 am


Originally Posted by CXYYZ (Post 37453359)
There are two lavs for the 77P J cabin, one front-left, the other rear-right. On the right side aisle, there is a lav status light/sign at the back of the cabin.

See here: https://www.aerolopa.com/cx-77p

Thanks! I was on the left aisle and there didn't seem to be an easy way to get to the right aisle because you had to pass through the galley both ways.

incr Nov 29, 2025 1:08 am

They should just stop selling the middle seat, and then it becomes somewhat bearable.

bpk6h Nov 29, 2025 1:38 am

From an avgeek perspective, CX is the last substantial operator of the 777-300. CX was also the launch customer back 1998. If you find yourself on B-HNE, it was Boeing"s prototype 777-300.

HawaiiO Nov 29, 2025 2:21 am

This plane and the super old a330 is why i moved my flights to another carrier until CX retires these lame planes.
Cant believe CX still using these planes in 2026.

Even MH and MU run better planes than these.

percysmith Nov 29, 2025 2:35 am


Originally Posted by HawaiiO (Post 37453529)
Even MH and MU run better planes than these.

Can't say about MU but MH 78/79 737-800s aren't much newer.

CX HK Nov 29, 2025 3:15 am


Originally Posted by HawaiiO (Post 37453529)
This plane and the super old a330 is why i moved my flights to another carrier until CX retires these lame planes.
Cant believe CX still using these planes in 2026.

Even MH and MU run better planes than these.

They will be refurbished in 2026, and in any case new A330neo's are coming in 2-3 years I believe.

patrickw Nov 29, 2025 4:46 am

I don't think CX will retire them until they really have to, super useful from CX perspective when they need to clear the backlog after typhoon or other disruption or during peak travel season.

Unimatrix One Dec 1, 2025 3:14 am


Originally Posted by bpk6h (Post 37453498)
From an avgeek perspective, CX is the last substantial operator of the 777-300.

Also ANA, which flies 773s domestically in Japan with 514 seats! :D

bpk6h Dec 1, 2025 3:26 am


Originally Posted by Unimatrix One (Post 37456703)
Also ANA, which flies 773s domestically in Japan with 514 seats! :D

This is true! Although as NH and KE only have 3 777-300, I didn't consider either carrier to be a 'substantial' operator like CX which has 17 still in service.

percysmith Dec 1, 2025 3:40 am

Speaking of the devil https://simpleflying.com/non-er-boei...leet-analysis/ (just dropped today)

OTOH do you want CX to fly a crap plane or to fly no plane? It's not like they're not trying to buy new planes (777-9 comes to mind).

HB-IWC Dec 1, 2025 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by HawaiiO (Post 37453529)
Even MH and MU run better planes than these.

The MH 737-8MAX may be newer, but you don't want to be stuck in its back breaking slimline business class, even for a 3.5-hour sector KUL HKG.

HB-IWC Dec 1, 2025 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 37452445)
Recliner was okay for a short nap. Not sure how it will be for a red eye.

My partner was on 28-year-old B-HNE on a 4.5 hour red eye CGK HKG last week. Apparently the one-third of the passengers who wanted the supper service kepts everyone else awake, mainly because of the 2-3-2 configuration.

Have any retirement dates been set for these aircraft? Half a dozen of them are over 25 years old.

percysmith Dec 1, 2025 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by HB-IWC (Post 37458075)
My partner was on 28-year-old B-HNE on a 4.5 hour red eye CGK HKG last week.

I thought you said your partner was 28yo...oh, you meant the equipment :p


Originally Posted by HB-IWC (Post 37458075)
Apparently the one-third of the passengers who wanted the supper service kepts everyone else awake, mainly because of the 2-3-2 configuration.

CGK-HKG is just one hour shorter than DEL-HKG isn't it https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...-flight-j.html...can't please everyone

natbread Dec 1, 2025 11:27 pm


Originally Posted by HB-IWC (Post 37458075)
Have any retirement dates been set for these aircraft? Half a dozen of them are over 25 years old.

no unfortunately...... probably not until 777x comes and 77Ws can be used for more regional deployments

boybi Dec 2, 2025 12:11 am


Originally Posted by natbread (Post 37458358)
no unfortunately...... probably not until 777x comes and 77Ws can be used for more regional deployments

Aren't all 777Ws going to be converted to Aria?

NZflyer777 Dec 2, 2025 12:15 am


Originally Posted by boybi (Post 37458400)
Aren't all 777Ws going to be converted to Aria?

considering how outdated Aria is already.
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by the time 77x are delivered v it will only be fitting for regional flights.

natbread Dec 2, 2025 12:20 am


Originally Posted by boybi (Post 37458400)
Aren't all 777Ws going to be converted to Aria?

Aria conversion doesn't mean they can't fly regional routes. They already do (to a certain extent), and will continue to do so.

By the time 777x are fully delivered, I wouldn't be surprised if aria is considered outdated and only fit for regional deployments (similar to A330s, where they used to do long haul flights and now they only do short haul, with the longest flight being Cairns)


mlin32 Dec 2, 2025 2:26 am

Wait till you guys fly AF on their leisure routes on the COI configuration : 14J 28 W (fixed shell) and 430 Y.

Lovely for the 12h domestic flight between Paris and the Indian Ocean destinations like RUN and MRU. :tu: To be fair, the competition is similar as BF (French bee) does 10-across on their A35K.

zhaobao Dec 3, 2025 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 37452445)
Experienced this short haul workhorse today.

No direct aisle access and the dreaded middle seat. There was a poor lady who had to endure a guy climbing over her some 7 times in the course of 3.5 hours. Hard not to notice because he always ran to the toilet.

Recliner was okay for a short nap. Not sure how it will be for a red eye.

IFE was responsive and there was USB-C charging though I only had a USB-A cable. Oops.

It was a fair compromise for a one stop flight that cost less than half the SQ fare for a non stop flight.

So you were going from SIN via HKG to where exactly ?

zhaobao Dec 3, 2025 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by HB-IWC (Post 37458075)
My partner was on 28-year-old B-HNE on a 4.5 hour red eye CGK HKG last week. Apparently the one-third of the passengers who wanted the supper service kepts everyone else awake, mainly because of the 2-3-2 configuration.

Have any retirement dates been set for these aircraft? Half a dozen of them are over 25 years old.

You mean they DARE put a non long haul 777 on CX796 ? With the exorbitant fares they charge for those flying just HKG to/from CGK, no wonder this is an airline we have come to despise.
Flying GA in J on this route is actually way more comfortable (and wallet friendly too) - both on the 737 and if you are lucky, the long haul 330.

oldchinahand Dec 5, 2025 2:48 am

I have not read so much uninformed nonsense on any thread for years.

New aircraft orders were placed from as far back 2013 and remain undelivered.

With new WB aircraft deliveries slower than at any previous time CX (and along with many other major airlines) has little option but to keep the old frames flying while initiating major refurbishment programs that will fit new cabins to most 777-300 and 330s.
What do critics here suggest is a better solution.

VE105 Dec 5, 2025 2:51 am


Originally Posted by zhaobao (Post 37462291)
You mean they DARE put a non long haul 777 on CX796 ? With the exorbitant fares they charge for those flying just HKG to/from CGK, no wonder this is an airline we have come to despise.
Flying GA in J on this route is actually way more comfortable (and wallet friendly too) - both on the 737 and if you are lucky, the long haul 330.

Still, no self respecting passenger would pick GA over CX. There's the fact. CX's reputation is not affected by how much people moan about their 77P online.

epigram Dec 5, 2025 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by zhaobao (Post 37462288)
So you were going from SIN via HKG to where exactly ?

Japan.

NZflyer777 Dec 5, 2025 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 37464492)
I have not read so much uninformed nonsense on any thread for years.

New aircraft orders were placed from as far back 2013 and remain undelivered.

With new WB aircraft deliveries slower than at any previous time CX (and along with many other major airlines) has little option but to keep the old frames flying while initiating major refurbishment programs that will fit new cabins to most 777-300 and 330s.
What do critics here suggest is a better solution.

ok other airlines are getting widebodies.

CX is rhe only one who has not a single widebody delivery 2024 to 2027....
for an almost 90% widebody airline....

CX 2013 order got delayed by CX as well.
So even in 2027 CX is looking at maybe 2 new widebodies because CX management chose to delay.

CX could have ordered more a350s etc but chose not to and still are sleeping as 2030 to 2033 slots fill up....



oldchinahand Dec 6, 2025 12:18 am

Of course wide body aircraft are being delivered but as yet no 777-9s which Cathey expected 5 years ago. The 777 is a cornerstone of the CX fleet and perform a different function for the airline than the existing 46 A350s

No 777 -9 aircraft will be delivered to any customer prior 2027 where CX is expecting the first 3 to be delivered


Cathays 30 X A330neo aircraft orders are scheduled for delivery starting in a couple of years.

zhaobao Dec 7, 2025 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by VE105 (Post 37464497)
Still, no self respecting passenger would pick GA over CX. There's the fact. CX's reputation is not affected by how much people moan about their 77P online.

I did. Best decision for trip to Labuan Bajo. Agree with CX's reputation - too many passeners like yourself propping it up. :)

zhaobao Dec 7, 2025 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 37465859)
Japan.

So you decided CX versus MH (via KUL), SQ (via SIN), GA, JL and NH because ?


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