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brunos Apr 16, 2021 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 33181605)
There have been BA flights arriving from LHR to HK and vv every day for at least the past couple of weeks and Cathay 777 flights to UK every couple of days (possibly freight only). The only reason that CX is not flying a regular schedule is that there are not passengers and due to gov virus related temporary regulations Cathay were short of available pilots.
That changed yesterday which allowed Cathay to increase flights today and going forward.
All the trash political talk on this thread has little or no substance in fact.

All passenger flights from UK are still banned. BA/CX cannot fly pax from UK to HKG.
That should be lifted early May.
BA/VS can fly to HKG by having a second crew onboard and no one disembarking. BA uses the F section of the ac for that second crew. CX cannot do that, as the crew of any flight arriving in HKG with pax must quarantine if they disembark.

The new regulation for pilots only affects cargo pilots and flying to/from six low-risk countries. It will free some cargo pilots, but not pax pilots and not from UK.

oldchinahand Apr 16, 2021 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 33183197)
All passenger flights from UK are still banned. BA/CX cannot fly pax from UK to HKG.
That should be lifted early May.
BA/VS can fly to HKG by having a second crew onboard and no one disembarking. BA uses the F section of the ac for that second crew. CX cannot do that, as the crew of any flight arriving in HKG with pax must quarantine if they disembark.

The new regulation for pilots only affects cargo pilots and flying to/from six low-risk countries. It will free some cargo pilots, but not pax pilots and not from UK.

Hi Brunos. Several of the points raised in your post I believe to be correct however the BA flights have been docking at the passenger terminal. This is not at all normal for the passinger aircraft flights carrying only freight. I am not an avid watcher of Flightradar 24 however the incoming BA flight time coincides with the time that I often stop for a coffee and I often watch the landing. Why would this be if no pax aboard ? The regulation change does also involve CX pax pilots as if vaccinated they can avoid much of the quarantine if incoming from any of the nominated low risk countries. These do not include UK or US at the moment. .

brunos Apr 16, 2021 10:14 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 33183431)
Hi Brunos. Several of the points raised in your post I believe to be correct however the BA flights have been docking at the passenger terminal. This is not at all normal for the passinger aircraft flights carrying only freight. I am not an avid watcher of Flightradar 24 however the incoming BA flight time coincides with the time that I often stop for a coffee and I often watch the landing. Why would this be if no pax aboard ? The regulation change does also involve CX pax pilots as if vaccinated they can avoid much of the quarantine if incoming from any of the nominated low risk countries. These do not include UK or US at the moment. .

It is hard to believe that you live in Hong Kong and have not been aware of the UK ban.

Passengers flights from UK have been banned since December. They can only carry pax from HKG.
Any person who has spent over 2h in UK cannot enter Hong Kong, even if the fly from elsewhere.

BA31 from LHR arrives (without pax) at 1340 (often a bit early) and BA32 departs (with pax) at 1510. During the short turnaround time (scheduled as 1h30), the two crews stay onboard (they use the F section of the 777), any cargo is offloaded/onloaded and pax board.
Carrie Lam announced that the ban would be lifted early May:
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...randed-britain

oldchinahand Apr 21, 2021 10:45 pm

Brunos, Apologies for the late reply to your above but I have been unable to post for the past few days.
Your post is not incorrect as such and your interpterion of the regulations is accurate however I say again that there are paxs on almost every CX and BA flight from LHR. The HK government routinely offers dispensations to those it believes are important to Hong Kong's future and wellbeing as I am sure in turn does the UK government. Many of these dispensations are granted to senior business people (director level and the like) and it is not unusual for several from one company to travel. Last evening at dinner I sat with one such individual who next week is oft to the UK for a board meeting. When he returns he will serve only 7 days home quarantine. I am unsure about quarantine at the UK end.
A lot of these dispensations are made, as an instance my next door neighbour has been routinely traveling back and forth to China every 2 or 3 weeks and serving only home quarantine on his return - he has business with the Shanghai government.

brunos Apr 22, 2021 4:34 am


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 33196143)
Brunos, Apologies for the late reply to your above but I have been unable to post for the past few days.
Your post is not incorrect as such and your interpterion of the regulations is accurate however I say again that there are paxs on almost every CX and BA flight from LHR. The HK government routinely offers dispensations to those it believes are important to Hong Kong's future and wellbeing as I am sure in turn does the UK government. Many of these dispensations are granted to senior business people (director level and the like) and it is not unusual for several from one company to travel. Last evening at dinner I sat with one such individual who next week is oft to the UK for a board meeting. When he returns he will serve only 7 days home quarantine. I am unsure about quarantine at the UK end.
A lot of these dispensations are made, as an instance my next door neighbour has been routinely traveling back and forth to China every 2 or 3 weeks and serving only home quarantine on his return - he has business with the Shanghai government.

Thanks for your reply oldchinahand.
I know that there are many exemptions for travel to Mainland China, Macau and Taiwan.

They do also offer few special travel/quarantine exemptions for senior business people, government officials, health specialists from other countries.

But the case of flight bans from UK is quite different. I strongly doubt that there are many pax on "almost every BA flight from LHR". And I don't like to rely on hearsay evidence.
Exemptions for travel/quarantines are quite different from exemptions to a ban for passengers flights. It is just a guess, but frankly it is hard to envision that BA would cater service to a couple of passengers on some flights. It would have to institute dedicated boarding procedures and inflight service for just a couple of guests. Not worth the extra cabin crew planning given the number of pax and its uncertainty, even if it were legal from HK side.

deadinabsentia Apr 22, 2021 10:08 pm

I have demonstrably proven OCH's comments are utter bolloks in another thread.

CCP shill, or worse.

realgaga Apr 23, 2021 1:24 am


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 33196521)
Thanks for your reply oldchinahand.
I know that there are many exemptions for travel to Mainland China, Macau and Taiwan.

They do also offer few special travel/quarantine exemptions for senior business people, government officials, health specialists from other countries.

But the case of flight bans from UK is quite different. I strongly doubt that there are many pax on "almost every BA flight from LHR". And I don't like to rely on hearsay evidence.
Exemptions for travel/quarantines are quite different from exemptions to a ban for passengers flights. It is just a guess, but frankly it is hard to envision that BA would cater service to a couple of passengers on some flights. It would have to institute dedicated boarding procedures and inflight service for just a couple of guests. Not worth the extra cabin crew planning given the number of pax and its uncertainty, even if it were legal from HK side.

I confirmed on the BA Forum that all of BA's LHR-HKG flights are freight only.

oldchinahand Apr 24, 2021 11:18 pm

Of course Brunos there are almost certainly already cabin crew and spare pilots on the BA aircraft thus not a lot of extra catering needed.

oldchinahand Apr 24, 2021 11:19 pm


Originally Posted by realgaga (Post 33198956)
I confirmed on the BA Forum that all of BA's LHR-HKG flights are freight only.

That information is incorrect where ever it was posted.

realgaga Apr 25, 2021 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 33203462)
That information is incorrect where ever it was posted.

BA crew confirmed it, so I would rather trust them.

oldchinahand Apr 26, 2021 3:02 am


Originally Posted by deadinabsentia (Post 33198742)
I have demonstrably proven OCH's comments are utter bolloks in another thread.

CCP shill, or worse.

So explain !
In proper English would be much appreciated.
BTW. Bolloks is spelt 'Bullocks'.

SW7London Apr 27, 2021 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 33205924)
So explain !
In proper English would be much appreciated.
BTW. Bolloks is spelt 'Bullocks'.

Try "Bollocks"

lol.

deadinabsentia Apr 27, 2021 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 33205924)
So explain !
In proper English would be much appreciated.
BTW. Bolloks is spelt 'Bullocks'.

Yawn... I just noticed OCH is being ignored as a poor commentator on PPRUNE too. Can't find a home anywhere it seems.

clubeurope May 2, 2021 6:22 pm

Any information about the resumption of UK-HKG flights?

Reply1984 May 3, 2021 2:57 am


Originally Posted by clubeurope (Post 33221770)
Any information about the resumption of UK-HKG flights?

Not announced yet but SCMP reported that UK-HK flights wll be resumed this week.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...gtype=homepage


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