Singapore - Hong Kong travel bubble

Old Apr 30, 2021, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
Most of the time, Australia has zero local cases, and no cluster to investigate. In Singapore, there are always local cases (with exception of a few days) and clusters to investigate. That requires many more tests.
If Singapore was to cut tests, it would have virtual no cases at all.

the discovery of cases is direct result of more tests conducted.
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Old Apr 30, 2021, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by freed0m
If Singapore was to cut tests, it would have virtual no cases at all.

the discovery of cases is direct result of more tests conducted.
That is true only if there is widespread infection. In countries like India, or US a few months ago, the more you test, the more you find. Although it is not directly proportional as tests target symptomatic and close contacts, which have a higher infection rate than the general population. But it is certainly of relevance for internaitonal comparisons.

In countries with zero or near-zero local cases,(international pax are systematically tested and provide the bulk of infected cases), tests are routinely targeted at those in contact with the public (frontline workers, etc...), plus anyone with even minor suspicion, plus some random sampling. If the disease is eradicated locally, you can multiply by 100 the number of tests and still find zero positive. In AU and NZ most if not all of the very few new local cases have been assigned to arriving pax and breaches in quarantine hotels.
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Old Apr 30, 2021, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
That is true only if there is widespread infection. In countries like India, or US a few months ago, the more you test, the more you find. Although it is not directly proportional as tests target symptomatic and close contacts, which have a higher infection rate than the general population. But it is certainly of relevance for internaitonal comparisons.

In countries with zero or near-zero local cases,(international pax are systematically tested and provide the bulk of infected cases), tests are routinely targeted at those in contact with the public (frontline workers, etc...), plus anyone with even minor suspicion, plus some random sampling. If the disease is eradicated locally, you can multiply by 100 the number of tests and still find zero positive. In AU and NZ most if not all of the very few new local cases have been assigned to arriving pax and breaches in quarantine hotels.
before the recent new clusters, there was only 0, one or 2 cases daily. Any cut of test would likely miss the cases. Plus, some cases were only found out long after they completed quarantine as they were shedding virus fragments.
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Old May 1, 2021, 6:00 am
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this bubble is cursed... everytime this comes up, suddenly new cluster in otherwise quiet situation forms. my money is on this bubble wont take off again
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Old May 1, 2021, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by freed0m
before the recent new clusters, there was only 0, one or 2 cases daily. Any cut of test would likely miss the cases. Plus, some cases were only found out long after they completed quarantine as they were shedding virus fragments.
I don't know where you are fishing this information.
Singapore had 35 community transmissions last week.
13 cases at the TTSH, among them 4 medical professionals who had been fully vaccinated.
8 cases among the family of an airport immigration official

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Old May 1, 2021, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by fakecd
this bubble is cursed... everytime this comes up, suddenly new cluster in otherwise quiet situation forms. my money is on this bubble wont take off again
This time it is Singapore...Singapore reported 4 unlinked cases on May 1......

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...s-positive-for
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This time it is Singapore...Singapore reported 4 unlinked cases on May 1......

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...s-positive-for
And apparently one imported case from HK.
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Old May 1, 2021, 11:31 pm
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For those of us currently in Western Countries with very low (sub 500 case a day/ maybe 1 or death- all with an average of 2.6 co-morbidities ) wanting to get home to HK and SE Asia its infuriating that SIN/HK are trying for 0 as the standard.

Zero is never possible on a long time line.

HK is about stopping the protests, and bringing western business to its knees to Beijing. Its not public health.
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Old May 2, 2021, 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by brunos
I don't know where you are fishing this information.
Singapore had 35 community transmissions last week.
13 cases at the TTSH, among them 4 medical professionals who had been fully vaccinated.
8 cases among the family of an airport immigration official
I specifically said before the new clusters. Read cases before April.

the more important thing to watch is how Singapore deals with the recent new clusters. If Singapore successfully suppresses the spread without lockdown, it is a real laugh to the Australians.
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Singapore to Review Hong Kong Travel Bubble as Virus Returns https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ubble-on-covid
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ANd SIngapore followed HK in imposing 21 day quarantine at dedicated facilities on most inbound travelers.
Risky if bubble is suspended and you are in SIngapore.
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Old May 5, 2021, 4:39 am
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Originally Posted by brunos
ANd SIngapore followed HK in imposing 21 day quarantine at dedicated facilities on most inbound travelers.
Risky if bubble is suspended and you are in SIngapore.
it wont be suspended
cuz it will never start
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Old May 5, 2021, 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by fakecd
it wont be suspended
cuz it will never start
If the announced rules are followed, the bubble should start.
Singapore is currently well within the rules:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ubble-on-covid

Of course, SIngapore/Hong Kong cold decide to change the rules in view of the Indian variant.
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Old May 8, 2021, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by fakecd
this bubble is cursed... everytime this comes up, suddenly new cluster in otherwise quiet situation forms. my money is on this bubble wont take off again
If they set the target for the bubble at no cases at all, then it's never going to happen. But surely they know that...?
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Old May 8, 2021, 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by bobbytables
If they set the target for the bubble at no cases at all, then it's never going to happen. But surely they know that...?
Yes. Government is just interested in announcing something. Not actually too interested in seeing it happen and all the associated problem that may bring.
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