Singapore - Hong Kong travel bubble

Old Dec 6, 2020, 7:16 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerEC
Our HKG SIN 2020 ATB has burst , going to sort out with SIA tomorrow morning , today is for 😢 😓 .
Try check when the January 2021 ATB flights might resume & if better schedules 🤞🏻 .
Reserve various dates to avoid potential CNY / Lunar NY mass movements .
I'm still hoping i can ring 2021 in HK
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Old Dec 7, 2020, 11:45 am
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Very unlikely. The earliest reasonable date provided the cases suddenly taper off now will be mid Jan
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Old Dec 9, 2020, 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by CXFlyerBoy
Very unlikely. The earliest reasonable date provided the cases suddenly taper off now will be mid Jan
then they prob play defensive and keep measures till post CNY to reduce movements.

notion of a bubble is a fallacy in a global pandemic with fluid situation. you either do a total lockdown and keep doors extremely restricted (Aus/Nz/China style), or do it totally open (Japan) and wait for de facto herd immunity (good luck)

if HK govt can finally turn to mainland style to eliminate infections, the door to mainland would open and ppl will forget about singapore bubble quickly.
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Old Dec 9, 2020, 9:09 pm
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Originally Posted by fakecd
then they prob play defensive and keep measures till post CNY to reduce movements.

notion of a bubble is a fallacy in a global pandemic with fluid situation. you either do a total lockdown and keep doors extremely restricted (Aus/Nz/China style), or do it totally open (Japan) and wait for de facto herd immunity (good luck)

if HK govt can finally turn to mainland style to eliminate infections, the door to mainland would open and ppl will forget about singapore bubble quickly.
We are talking about international travel and I do not understand your point about Japan being totally open.
Very few non-Japanese can currently enter Japan.
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Old Dec 9, 2020, 10:30 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
We are talking about international travel and I do not understand your point about Japan being totally open.
Very few non-Japanese can currently enter Japan.
https://www.japan.travel/en/coronavirus/

sorry the term "totally" may be misleading i.some element . i was looking at it from Asia prospect. They have opened up to most "developped" asia like china, thailand, korea, singapoe, hk etc where a lot of traveller in asia originats from anyhow. and i emphasied "totally" because they have no legal quarantine orders, you are free to loiter around anywhere once u leave airport as its not legally mandated rather a "voluntary request" basis. i know for fact its a laughing stock around me

so compared to australia where you have arrival quota, with military escorts, japan to me, is "totally tree"
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Old Dec 10, 2020, 4:23 am
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OK, you meant that Japan now allows residents from 8 Asian countries listed as: Australia, Brunei, China (including Hong Kong and Macau), New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Viet Nam.

My understanding is that you still need to apply for a visa (no visa waiver anymore). Some sources say that they only grant it for "business track" or "residence track".
Japan requests a 14-day quarantine at a dedicated place (say hotel) and does not allow using public transport (including taxi).

I understand that the
government cannot impose punishment on those who violate quarantine measures. But as a foreign tourist (if a visa can be obtained as tourist), I don't think that I would happily start traveling around the country and use public transport. Of course, Japanese would not be noticed, but a white face? And any hotel will check the passport and see that I should technically be in quarantine. I doubt that they will accept me.

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Old Dec 11, 2020, 5:37 pm
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And now Singapore is tightening its rules for pax arriving from HKG:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...12%2F12%2F2020

Currently pax from HK could serve their SHN (stay at home notice) for 7 days a at their place of residence or suitable accommodation of their choice. It will be 14-day SHN at dedicated SHN facilities. PLus a pre-departure PCR.

On the other hand, Singapore is now fully open to travellers from Taiwan, in addition to Australia, Brunei Darussalam, mainland China, New Zealand and Vietnam:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...latest-move-to
Of course, returning to any of these countries is a different story.

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Old Dec 12, 2020, 6:16 am
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Originally Posted by brunos

I understand that the government cannot impose punishment on those who violate quarantine measures. But as a foreign tourist (if a visa can be obtained as tourist), I don't think that I would happily start traveling around the country and use public transport. Of course, Japanese would not be noticed, but a white face? And any hotel will check the passport and see that I should technically be in quarantine. I doubt that they will accept me.
I'm really not sure how everything works in practice. Getting into Japan (Or Singapore, to stay on topic), getting back to your country is totally different matter (eg. back to HK with new quarantine, or Australia as an example of quota system). The bottom-line is travel now, bubble or no bubble, legality of quarantine aside (case for Japan), it's just not the right time to travel, period. But some gov't takes a much more lax approach to whole situation (which prompted my "Japan totally free" comment, disclaimer I am Japanese so I am very in touch with stance of my own gov't).

As to CX's home base, my believe is that HK policy is trying to maintain the stance of "open international city" but they are doing everything to avoid arrivals to city without having to damage its international city image (whether there's any such image left is not the point of my statement). I find they are making international arrival so punitive even for its own citizens (eg. banning BA for 2weeks just ahead of surge in overseas student arrival pre-Xmas using some very technical arguments) or making whole quarantine experience super daunting. For this very reason i do not see Singapore bubbles ever come back up. Why? the PR stunt became the global mockery on its own making (eg. "bubble burst before it started"). Just imagine, the blame and criticism gov't will take from its public should there even be 1 imported case from Singapore which cause next wave, and how that will ruin all the hard-line measure they are taking now to confront current whatever wave.

You can't fight pandemic in a half-arsed approach. You either go "all in", or co-exist with the bug. So, a bubble to co-exist alongside other hard-line measures, I don't think so.
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Old Dec 12, 2020, 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
And now Singapore is tightening its rules for pax arriving from HKG:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...12%2F12%2F2020

Currently pax from HK could serve their SHN (stay at home notice) for 7 days a at their place of residence or suitable accommodation of their choice. It will be 14-day SHN at dedicated SHN facilities. PLus a pre-departure PCR.
Oh, how far the pendulum has swung the other way...
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Old Dec 12, 2020, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
On the other hand, Singapore is now fully open to travellers from Taiwan, in addition to Australia, Brunei Darussalam, mainland China, New Zealand and Vietnam:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...latest-move-to
Of course, returning to any of these countries is a different story.
These are still very much unrequited love for Singapore at present... but politically it's going to be interesting if Taiwan is first to reciprocate and actually goes live with a new bubble, while the HK bubble is put on the back burners.
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Old Dec 14, 2020, 7:19 pm
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meanwhile the PR fanfare of "worlds first bubble" may go to AU/NZ

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...e-hotel-places

not sure if Singas still have any appatite to try a bubble where HK has clearly failed miserably on virus containment thus far. also there are various "business corridor" already available so i am starting to see what is the PE niche advantave of a bubble vs various those programs

hk govt was saying they "hoped" current wave settles by chinese new year which is basically mid Feb. so maybe march ahead of easter is my time frame
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Old Dec 14, 2020, 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by fakecd
meanwhile the PR fanfare of "worlds first bubble" may go to AU/NZ

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...e-hotel-places

not sure if Singas still have any appatite to try a bubble where HK has clearly failed miserably on virus containment thus far. also there are various "business corridor" already available so i am starting to see what is the PE niche advantave of a bubble vs various those programs

hk govt was saying they "hoped" current wave settles by chinese new year which is basically mid Feb. so maybe march ahead of easter is my time frame
Mainland macau bubble has been operating since late September
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Old Feb 20, 2021, 4:02 pm
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few trial baloons of travel hubble again

https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/air-trave...pre-requisite/

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...lks-again-over

i dont get this - they enforce aircrews quarantine and closed loop working shift yet talk of bubble.
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Old Feb 20, 2021, 9:40 pm
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https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...repares-sports

Hong Kong Football Association prepares Ďsports bubbleí protocols in bid to host Champions League as Covid-19 cases ease300 players, officials will be allowed to skip 21-day quarantine if city wins bid to host tournamentsGovernment sources tell Post officials are fully behind idea to host Asian Football Confederation tournaments

So now we also have the 'sports bubble'. Still, crews will be put under quarantine.
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Old Feb 20, 2021, 9:51 pm
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Originally Posted by fakecd
few trial baloons of travel hubble again

https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/air-trave...pre-requisite/

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...lks-again-over

i dont get this - they enforce aircrews quarantine and closed loop working shift yet talk of bubble.
Iíve now a fear of bubbles - no-notice reinstatement of restrictions. Iíll wait for vaccines and confirmation that they stop infections.
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