Inbound to Hong Kong COVID-19 Quarantine & Restrictions
#571
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I think the best we can hope for is being allowed to travel with full, up-to-date vaccinations, 4X testing like the bubble, movement restrictions when in visiting country, hotels that have to administer tests every 7 days and/or Australian-style arrival caps (hopefully the new BAU will remove caps from all citizens and permanent residents).
Agreed. Humans should and must do better. Governments need to be better at managing the risk rather than following fear and political convenience.
#572
Join Date: Jun 2017
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Thanks. Here in the USA, there are similar rare cases of vaccinated people getting infected. That's why they don't claim it's 100%. This is what is most interesting: "His ministry this week locked down four wards at Tan Tock Seng Hospital, one of Singapore’s largest, after 13 infections there were linked to a Filipino nurse who had been fully vaccinated, yet still tested positive for the virus on Tuesday." It's not very detailed reporting. I wonder if it was direct contact with her, or, if she infected a few, who then infected a few. If she did infect 13 people then it would almost suggest that she wasn't taking standard protocols -- such as wearing a mask or using hand sanitizer -- because health care workers would typically wear PPE to protect themselves and others.
Sadly, it also didn't say which brand of vaccine she used.
Sadly, it also didn't say which brand of vaccine she used.
But HKG is excluding testing for all maids who have been fully vaccinated in the current testing for all maids. Seem like they are assuming that those who are vaccinated won’t get it.
As moderna only start in Mid March onwards n was offered to the general public.
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the hospital staff were getting pfizer. We have cases for migrant workers, nurse , doctor n care staff who are vaccinated getting infected. It was damn lucky that the nurse was symptomatic. Or else this won’t be discover at all.
But HKG is excluding testing for all maids who have been fully vaccinated in the current testing for all maids. Seem like they are assuming that those who are vaccinated won’t get it.
As moderna only start in Mid March onwards n was offered to the general public.
But HKG is excluding testing for all maids who have been fully vaccinated in the current testing for all maids. Seem like they are assuming that those who are vaccinated won’t get it.
As moderna only start in Mid March onwards n was offered to the general public.
#574
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Let’s not pick on the nurse’s nationality, and assume she has not been in her homeland for the vaccination until and unless proven otherwise.
Pfizer isn’t meant to be foolproof, there was the AKL fully vaccinated worker at the airport before the nurse (NZ only has Biontech)
Pfizer isn’t meant to be foolproof, there was the AKL fully vaccinated worker at the airport before the nurse (NZ only has Biontech)
#575
Join Date: Jun 2018
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the hospital staff were getting pfizer. We have cases for migrant workers, nurse , doctor n care staff who are vaccinated getting infected. It was damn lucky that the nurse was symptomatic. Or else this won’t be discover at all.
But HKG is excluding testing for all maids who have been fully vaccinated in the current testing for all maids. Seem like they are assuming that those who are vaccinated won’t get it.
As moderna only start in Mid March onwards n was offered to the general public.
But HKG is excluding testing for all maids who have been fully vaccinated in the current testing for all maids. Seem like they are assuming that those who are vaccinated won’t get it.
As moderna only start in Mid March onwards n was offered to the general public.
#576
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These sub-sub data point will take a long while to prove.
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And Sinovac is 67% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...on-2021-04-16/ (asymptomatic unknown)
And both symptomatic and asymptomatic can transmit the virus. Hence the 94% figure is so encouraging. But it's not 100% as the Singapore nurse shows.
#578
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Anyway ,those 8 persons in the hospital cluster who have been vaccinated (mostly hospital staff), have no symptoms or very mild symptoms n does not require any oxygen while many of the rest in the same cluster who are not vaccinated require oxygen supply n are symptomatic.
As for the rate rate of transmission , I think this need more study.
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My understanding is Biontech blocks 94% asymptomatic 97% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2B31IW
And Sinovac is 67% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...on-2021-04-16/ (asymptomatic unknown)
And both symptomatic and asymptomatic can transmit the virus. Hence the 94% figure is so encouraging. But it's not 100% as the Singapore nurse shows.
And Sinovac is 67% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...on-2021-04-16/ (asymptomatic unknown)
And both symptomatic and asymptomatic can transmit the virus. Hence the 94% figure is so encouraging. But it's not 100% as the Singapore nurse shows.
The Reuters quote that BioNTech blocks 94% of symptomatic cases is incorrect as discussed in other posts. This is just a statement by a media-friendly discussant that is not borne by the fact reported in that Israeli study. Little current scientific data on asymptomatic efficacy benefits for for vaccinated people and zero for potential transmission.
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The fact that BioNtech prevents over 90% of serious disease effects (hospitalization mostly) for current variants has been documented in several observational studies.
The Reuters quote that BioNTech blocks 94% of symptomatic cases is incorrect as discussed in other posts. This is just a statement by a media-friendly discussant that is not borne by the fact reported in that Israeli study. Little current scientific data on asymptomatic efficacy benefits for for vaccinated people and zero for potential transmission.
The Reuters quote that BioNTech blocks 94% of symptomatic cases is incorrect as discussed in other posts. This is just a statement by a media-friendly discussant that is not borne by the fact reported in that Israeli study. Little current scientific data on asymptomatic efficacy benefits for for vaccinated people and zero for potential transmission.
The Reuters release dates 19 February and refers to two studies that are old on covid time scale.
The studies conclude on infection rates, but say very little, if anything, on transmission.
Michal Linial is a favorite of the media for her provocative optimistic public forecasts. For example, she asserted that covid immunity was long lasting.
The studies conclude on infection rates, but say very little, if anything, on transmission.
Michal Linial is a favorite of the media for her provocative optimistic public forecasts. For example, she asserted that covid immunity was long lasting.
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My understanding is Biontech blocks 94% asymptomatic 97% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2B31IW
And Sinovac is 67% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...on-2021-04-16/ (asymptomatic unknown)
And both symptomatic and asymptomatic can transmit the virus. Hence the 94% figure is so encouraging. But it's not 100% as the Singapore nurse shows.
And Sinovac is 67% symptomatic https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...on-2021-04-16/ (asymptomatic unknown)
And both symptomatic and asymptomatic can transmit the virus. Hence the 94% figure is so encouraging. But it's not 100% as the Singapore nurse shows.
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It has already been reported by multiple people arriving from US this morning (May 7th) on FB quarantine support group that fully vaccinated individuals have their quarantine period adjusted/reduced to 14 days at the hotel (instead of 21) follows by 7- day home monitoring (this is not home quarantine FYR). The new policy is kicking in but government hasn't formally announced.
The government news website did mention the quarantine adjustment plan but no start date - news link below (per May 5):
https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2021/05/...doBcRVH8vdM4WY
The government news website did mention the quarantine adjustment plan but no start date - news link below (per May 5):
https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2021/05/...doBcRVH8vdM4WY
#584
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It has already been reported by multiple people arriving from US this morning (May 7th) on FB quarantine support group that fully vaccinated individuals have their quarantine period adjusted/reduced to 14 days at the hotel (instead of 21) follows by 7- day home monitoring (this is not home quarantine FYR). The new policy is kicking in but government hasn't formally announced.
The government news website did mention the quarantine adjustment plan but no start date - news link below (per May 5):
https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2021/05/...doBcRVH8vdM4WY
The government news website did mention the quarantine adjustment plan but no start date - news link below (per May 5):
https://www.news.gov.hk/eng/2021/05/...doBcRVH8vdM4WY
#585
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new rule allow for 7day quarantine + 7day home observation. That is a real option as opposed to 21days.