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ernestnywang Apr 25, 2020 10:42 am

P Class Added to Earning Chart
 
Both the CX website and the AM website have just added P class to the MPO earning chart and AM earning chart, respectively, for CX and KA. P class earns the same amount of club points and miles as D and I classes. As of now, P class has been used for business class AD75 tickets, but looks like CX and KA will soon use it for revenue tickets. P class fares will probably be between D class and I class.

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_...ub-points.html
https://www.asiamiles.com/en/earn-mi...cathay-pacific
https://www.asiamiles.com/en/earn-mi.../cathay-dragon

CXFlyerBoy Apr 25, 2020 12:15 pm

Any idea the moot point behind the new sub-class

ernestnywang Apr 25, 2020 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by CXFlyerBoy (Post 32324198)
Any idea the moot point behind the new sub-class

Why would you call that a moot point? I could think of 2 potential reasons at least:
1. CX finds the price difference between D class and I class to be too big and wants to introduce a fare in between.
2. CX wants to lower the fare for I class.

fakecd Apr 25, 2020 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 32324499)
2. CX wants to lower the fare for I class.

I never think CX wanted to lower the fare :p but agree suspect they realized they need to diversify and seek new O&D market segment away from existing captive corporate base. Probably old I fare becomes where P is, with new "I" fare similar to Emirate's "bare-bone" J fare with no seat reservation, no lounge access, limited luggage, and limiting other frills, whilst those perks are readily available to those with status anyways. Not sure if airlines have luxury of talking about "not cannibalizing" on corp J/C/D segment, because i don't see those coming back in fashion we saw.

I would be a buyer of those bare-bone I fare as long as these aren't "non-changeable/refundable"

CXFlyerBoy Apr 25, 2020 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 32324499)
Why would you call that a moot point? I could think of 2 potential reasons at least:
1. CX finds the price difference between D class and I class to be too big and wants to introduce a fare in between.
2. CX wants to lower the fare for I class.

I didn’t think about that as the routes I usually fly D class and I class difference is not significant.

Then again, if they are going to downgrade I class to lesser blings. That will entice FFs like us since the things they could take away we actually can do so by virtue of our FF status.

Cryofern Apr 26, 2020 7:53 am

Huh. The update might explain why I was getting a 404 error trying to access the en_US version of the Earning Club Points page last week. :o

Did P previously just not earn anything at all?

I seem to remember the lowest fare buckets for premium economy and economy cannot be upgraded with miles, but the lowest for business can; is there a possibility this is getting changed too?

ernestnywang Apr 26, 2020 10:57 am


Originally Posted by Cryofern (Post 32325827)
Did P previously just not earn anything at all?

No miles before.


Originally Posted by Cryofern (Post 32325827)
I seem to remember the lowest fare buckets for premium economy and economy cannot be upgraded with miles, but the lowest for business can; is there a possibility this is getting changed too?

Correct, E class and G, S, N, Q, O classes cannot be upgraded with miles.

SLGO Apr 28, 2020 5:22 am

What is P class about? Is CX going to introduce a business lite options same as some other airlines?

Harko May 14, 2020 4:49 am

P now shown as business class
 
I just stumbled upon P class under Marco Polo Website showing under Business Class eligible for Tier points, in addition to the usual J, C, D, I. Also Asia Miles shows it as upgradable fare with miles into first. I cannot see any P fares filed yet. Anyone knows more?

sxc May 15, 2020 4:40 am

Just had a look on expert flyer and saw this pattern:

J9 C9 D9 P9 I0

Not sure if this gives any indication as to what P class is.

When I try to book a ticket on this flight the lowest class I can get is D. So maybe no fares filed for P yet?

Harko May 15, 2020 4:43 am

Sold ex Japan
 
I searched randomly for fares and so far only found P class fares ex Japan (while they had no I Class). Ex other markets saw I, D, C, J and no P class.

ernestnywang May 15, 2020 10:55 am


Originally Posted by Harko (Post 32377091)
I searched randomly for fares and so far only found P class fares ex Japan (while they had no I Class). Ex other markets saw I, D, C, J and no P class.

For TYO-SYD on 01SEP, there are fares for all fare classes:

Code:

FQTYOSYD1SEPBB-CX
TYO-SYD      CXR-CX      TUE 01SEP20                    JPY
VA  0/ 0/21  JQ  0/ 0/ 6  UL  0/ 0/ 5  QF  1/ 0/21  CX  0/ 0/25
SQ  0/ 0/22  CA  0/ 0/ 9  JL  1/ 0/ 0  NZ  1/ 0/ 2  CI  0/ 0/ 8
FJ  0/ 0/ 5  MH  0/ 0/ 1  NH  2/ 0/ 1  SB  0/ 0/ 1  CZ  0/ 0/ 6
KE  0/ 0/ 6  GA  0/ 0/ 2  MU  0/ 0/27  TG  0/ 0/ 4  OZ  0/ 0/ 9
PG  0/ 0/ 2  PR  0/ 0/ 4 
//SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
  SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
CX    TYOSYD.EH      01SEP20          MPM  5835
BUSINESS CABIN
  V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW  FARE-RT BK  SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
  1    ILA2RJP8  60            220000 I¥18AUG-17SEP 2/ 1M EH01
  2    ILA4RJP8  60            235000 I¥18AUG-17SEP 2/ 1M EH02
  3    PAACRJP8  ¥            260000 P¥  ---      2/ 1M EH01
  4    PAAERJP8  ¥            275000 P¥  ---      2/ 1M EH02
  5    DAACRJP8  ¥            337000 D¥  ---      -/ 6M EH01
  6    DAAERJP8  ¥            357000 D¥  ---      -/ 6M EH02
  7    CAACRJP8  ¥            462000 C¥  ---      -/ 6M EH01
  8    JAACRJP8  ¥            700000 J¥  ---      -/12M EH01
  9    JRT        -            890300 J    ---      -/12M EH03
 10    JOW        -  578800          J¥  ---      -/12M EH03


Cambo May 15, 2020 11:56 am

Just a guess: The P class is intended to be only paid using Cathay Credit vouchers ?

ernestnywang May 15, 2020 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by Cambo (Post 32378161)
Just a guess: The P class is intended to be only paid using Cathay Credit vouchers ?

Nah it's a public fare.

Cambo May 15, 2020 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 32378215)
Nah it's a public fare.

Probably, tell me, what is the purpose of this P fare ? Just 8-40 J class seats per airplane and having 6 booking classes for those seats seem quite a lot to me.


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