Can you guest one pax into the QF and another into a CX lounge at HKG
Feb 2, 2020, 5:29 am
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Can you guest one pax into the QF and another into a CX lounge at HKG
At LHR Terminal 3, a OWE could theoretically bring four guests, one into each OW lounge, so long as they are shameless enough and are able to exit each lounge without being challenged about leaving their guest behind. The lounge systems don't communicate with each other in real time, and no stamps are made on the BP. I've only even done this once when I flew with two colleagues and brought one into QF and one into CX. Would it be possible to get away with the same at HKG (I appreciate that CX is not going to let you bring one guest into more than one of their lounges)?
Feb 2, 2020, 9:50 am
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Feb 2, 2020, 3:58 pm
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Actually it is not only unethical, it is also against the T&Cs of the program.
In theory, when you have +1 for lounge access, the +1 must leave with you at the same time you leave. However, this is not always enforced by the lounge staffs. Hence, a loophole.
However, the airline will eventually know the problem, as the lounges report usage for payment. Airlines can see who has been sponsored.
In theory, when you have +1 for lounge access, the +1 must leave with you at the same time you leave. However, this is not always enforced by the lounge staffs. Hence, a loophole.
However, the airline will eventually know the problem, as the lounges report usage for payment. Airlines can see who has been sponsored.
Feb 3, 2020, 4:31 am
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Feb 3, 2020, 5:08 am
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They can still detect contract-non contract use (PVG, KUL). I think CX has a record of non-contract (oneworld) lounge use.
Feb 3, 2020, 6:05 am
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If you travel on CX and go to the QF lounge, CX pays so CX knows you've been there, but is the system immediate or does it take sometime to reach CX?
Feb 3, 2020, 6:45 am
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oneworld partner will have to verify you’re a valid pax for charging anyway.
Feb 3, 2020, 6:46 am
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I’m quite certain that the QF lounge is not sending entry details to the CX lounge in HK in real time. But yes the HK CX lounge entries are linked within themselves.
Feb 3, 2020, 9:46 am
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For example, I am taking CX from HKG but I go to the QF lounge first. I then try to go to a CX lounge. CX could impose a rule that says if you've been to the QF lounge you cannot use the CX lounge anymore, since CX needs to pay QF. This will make CX pax less likely to go to QF lounge, and QF will make less revenue, so QF will not agree to it. I think this may be why it hasn't been implemented?
Feb 3, 2020, 10:49 am
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This is not a loophole, it is simplty poor training or enforcement by staff. When one leaves lounge #1 , one's guest ought to leave as well and so long as staff enforce that, what OP proposes won't work in a meaningful way.
To the extent that CX and other carriers see the fraud as material, they may certainly institute a cross-check and take action if they wish. That, of course, has costs and CX may not view the costs as worth it. This is not simply about having the data available, rather it is also about doing something with it. It need also not be instant as CX could simply revoke the status of offenders (presuming that most have some status).
To the extent that CX and other carriers see the fraud as material, they may certainly institute a cross-check and take action if they wish. That, of course, has costs and CX may not view the costs as worth it. This is not simply about having the data available, rather it is also about doing something with it. It need also not be instant as CX could simply revoke the status of offenders (presuming that most have some status).