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Cathay Dragon 666 Jun 5, 2017 11:18 am

KA pilot forgot flight map, returned flight mid-way to retrieve it
 
http://hkm.appledaily.com/detail.php...tegory=instant

I wonder if the pilots came clean to the passengers during onboard announcements on the reason of return. Or some bogus "technical issues".

24left Jun 5, 2017 5:29 pm

It was posted on Aviation Herald on June 2

Surprised it took the media and bloggers 3 days to pick it up.


Incident: Cathay Dragon A320 near Hong Kong on Jun 1st 2017, unmapped flight

By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Jun 2nd 2017 21:05Z, last updated Friday, Jun 2nd 2017 21:05Z

A Cathay Dragon Airbus A320-200, registration B-HSD performing flight KA-8348 from Hong Kong (China) to Komatsu (Japan), was already enroute at FL330 over Taiwan about 370nm northeast of Hong Kong when the crew decided to return to Hong Kong after discovering that no charts for Komatsu were on board. The aircraft burned off fuel and landed safely back in Hong Kong about 2:45 hours after departure.

The aircraft remained on the ground for about 90 minutes while being refueled and receiving the needed maps for Komatsu, then departed again with a new crew and reached Komatsu with a delay of about 4 hours.


http://avherald.com/h?article=4a9ced39&opt=0


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Cathay Dragon KA8348 Turned Around Mid-Flight Because Pilot Forgot His Map

by Gary Leff on June 5, 2017

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....ot-forgot-map/

garykung Jun 5, 2017 5:32 pm

No electronic flight bag??

ermen Jun 6, 2017 1:04 am

Interesting that you need a map of your destination airport to land. Can't they just rely on visual flight rules once they get to their destination?

And even more interesting is that this cannot be "electronically" sent mid way during the flight.

(reading AVHerald now...)

Ausriver Jun 6, 2017 4:35 am


Originally Posted by ermen (Post 28408654)
Interesting that you need a map of your destination airport to land. Can't they just rely on visual flight rules once they get to their destination?

And even more interesting is that this cannot be "electronically" sent mid way during the flight.

(reading AVHerald now...)


I guess safety always come first...

sscywong Jun 6, 2017 4:59 am


Originally Posted by Ausriver (Post 28409057)
I guess safety always come first...

Agree. It's too late when they found that they need the map during landing but they don't

But I'm actually interested... Assume they have the scheduled route maps on board why not just land on KHH / TPE to grab the map? (Don't know if that's allowed or not as this is not like refuel...)

Ausriver Jun 6, 2017 5:14 am


Originally Posted by sscywong (Post 28409107)
Agree. It's too late when they found that they need the map during landing but they don't

But I'm actually interested... Assume they have the scheduled route maps on board why not just land on KHH / TPE to grab the map? (Don't know if that's allowed or not as this is not like refuel...)

I think they can land without the missing map. Obviously when emergency landing happens to any un-planned airports, they wouldn't have the required map with them.

Cathay Dragon 666 Jun 6, 2017 9:56 am


Originally Posted by sscywong (Post 28409107)
Agree. It's too late when they found that they need the map during landing but they don't

But I'm actually interested... Assume they have the scheduled route maps on board why not just land on KHH / TPE to grab the map? (Don't know if that's allowed or not as this is not like refuel...)

International rules dictate to request an unscheduled landing at an airport you have to declare "Emergency". I guess forgetting a map does not qualify as such.

Dr. HFH Jun 6, 2017 2:58 pm

Do they have iPads? What's in them?

ermen Jun 6, 2017 9:58 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Dragon 666 (Post 28410154)
International rules dictate to request an unscheduled landing at an airport you have to declare "Emergency". I guess forgetting a map does not qualify as such.

But this flight was scheduled. It's just that they don't have the map.

Or perhaps it is the case that the pilots bring maps of all diversion airports along their route.

It's actually pretty silly that this can happen though where a plane needs to turn back to take the map lol...

24left Jun 6, 2017 11:31 pm

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You can always see what the PPRuNe guys of the Fragrant Harbour have to say (lol)

http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...t-his-map.html

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nolounge Jun 7, 2017 2:55 am


Originally Posted by Cathay Dragon 666 (Post 28405574)
I wonder if the pilots came clean to the passengers during onboard announcements on the reason of return. Or some bogus "technical issues".

Would you rather the pilot announced that and have 160+ clueless passengers around you go panic?

not2017 Jun 7, 2017 10:27 am

Really? If they had an ingenuity they would have turned on a smartphone and downloaded the maps. The maps are downloadable with a subscription. Most airlines uses tablets for these maps. But some airlines have learned that the tablets are far from foolproof and load the the paper Jeppesen manuals on every aircraft. Hard to turn around an aircraft that flew TPAC for a missing manual.

nolounge Jun 7, 2017 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by not2017 (Post 28414613)
Really? If they had an ingenuity they would have turned on a smartphone and downloaded the maps. The maps are downloadable with a subscription. Most airlines uses tablets for these maps. But some airlines have learned that the tablets are far from foolproof and load the the paper Jeppesen manuals on every aircraft. Hard to turn around an aircraft that flew TPAC for a missing manual.

Refer to above pprune screenshot.

username Jun 7, 2017 10:14 pm

This is a chartered flight and KMQ is not a regularly scheduled destination. I guess the dispatchers also missed it, right?

I would at least demand qualifying miles for the distance flown :D

:D


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