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1010101 May 5, 2015 9:12 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 24768354)
On company dime, I'm flying PEY now. But I would NEVER pay for it. And I actually feel bad for my company that pays for it. But I think CX has it and it does exactly what CX wants it to do:

1) Make money off suckers (company) that won't pay for J class but will pay for PEY class (like mine)

2) A buffer zone for oversold Y upgrades to relief J class from overcrowding.

3) Gets people that wants to use miles to upgrade to J class

From CX's perspective PEY is a win, screw the pax.

4) Those unlucky few who are too tall for CX's economy seats ;)

wrldtrav2013 May 5, 2015 9:19 pm

UPDATE!! I got upgraded into PEY, J was very full apparently. Oh well, I’m happy because its my birthday and I avoid the herd of cattle, time to get some good sleep and party all day in HKG. I still haven’t been to the arrival, I’ve heard its underwhelming to say the least?

sxc May 5, 2015 10:41 pm

Did they tell you that you would have been upgraded to J if it wasn't so full?

Cathay Boy May 6, 2015 12:38 am


Originally Posted by sxc (Post 24772863)
Did they tell you that you would have been upgraded to J if it wasn't so full?

Probably not. Although I did get a double-class upgrade to J once in EWR, but it was only because a plane went tech a day earlier and they had to fly in a 77W to take us, and of course with much fewer Y seats.

sxc May 6, 2015 1:10 am


Originally Posted by sxc (Post 24772863)
Did they tell you that you would have been upgraded to J if it wasn't so full?


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 24773225)
Probably not. Although I did get a double-class upgrade to J once in EWR, but it was only because a plane went tech a day earlier and they had to fly in a 77W to take us, and of course with much fewer Y seats.

The reason I would like to know the answer to this is that s/he mentioned that "J was very full apparently" and I want to know if a birthday upgrade will bypass PE.

dek526 May 6, 2015 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by wrldtrav2013 (Post 24767803)
I don’t see the point in paying for it if I can block off the seat next to be in Y.

you're a GO member? i've never been able to block off the seat next to me ... most they'll do is request it but i always find someone sitting next to me. only success i've had is when moving my seat to somewhere in the back of the bus at the airport in hopes that it isn't a full flight

alphaod May 7, 2015 1:31 am

I don't think they block seats anymore on CX, so if you get an empty seat next to you, I think it's just luck (or the airport was holding the seat for another elite, but they missed the flight). I often get to the airport and then there are some good seats left but seem to be unavailable to most people, but once I ask they call someone, "Please release XX seat for DM." Anyways that's as far as I've seen in the new system.

cxfan1960 May 7, 2015 2:08 am


Originally Posted by alphaod (Post 24779143)
I don't think they block seats anymore on CX, so if you get an empty seat next to you, I think it's just luck (or the airport was holding the seat for another elite, but they missed the flight). I often get to the airport and then there are some good seats left but seem to be unavailable to most people, but once I ask they call someone, "Please release XX seat for DM." Anyways that's as far as I've seen in the new system.

I haven't requested block for a while, but I am not surprised they are not doing it anymore. However, I think they still try to leave my adjacent seat open.

Cathay Boy May 7, 2015 7:17 am


Originally Posted by cxfan1960 (Post 24779219)
I haven't requested block for a while, but I am not surprised they are not doing it anymore. However, I think they still try to leave my adjacent seat open.

Yes, the good old days of automatic block when you're a DM are over. It's the luck of the draw now. However, the check-in agent told me that you can still "ask" and they will "try their best"...

nshizuka25 May 7, 2015 7:45 am


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 24779971)
Yes, the good old days of automatic block when you're a DM are over. It's the luck of the draw now. However, the check-in agent told me that you can still "ask" and they will "try their best"...

Hum...I was a GO, and up to Dec 2013 I always get the seat next to me blocked. (Bulkhead)

The problem is that empty seat will attract some very annoying passenger...and cabin crew doesn't care at all.

nshizuka25 May 7, 2015 7:57 am


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy
1) Make money off suckers (company) that won't pay for J class but will pay for PEY class (like mine)

2) A buffer zone for oversold Y upgrades to relief J class from overcrowding.

3) Gets people that wants to use miles to upgrade to J class

From CX's perspective PEY is a win, screw the pax.


Originally Posted by phol (Post 24772431)
4) Those unlucky few who are too tall for CX's economy seats

It is quieter in PEY cabin, and Cabin crew would actually care if someone from Y try to get a PEY seat. In fact I don't think I will fly CX Y again, some passengers are just intolerable...

I personally find cheaper PEY on ex-LHR quite reasonable (Normally £10xx-11xx), as I would be paying £8xx for V-Class anyway. But if they sell it at the normal £1800+, why don't I just fly JL via FRA/CDG/HEL...an indirect J + direct PEY mix would cost the same...

sscywong May 7, 2015 11:15 am


Originally Posted by dek526 (Post 24778530)
you're a GO member? i've never been able to block off the seat next to me ... most they'll do is request it but i always find someone sitting next to me. only success i've had is when moving my seat to somewhere in the back of the bus at the airport in hopes that it isn't a full flight

Irrelevant... Even as DM when I request seat blocking they block the seat by putting someone there (so it's blocked from letting me to have extra space...)

Anyway as many said I gave up on requesting seat blocking for quite some time already...

Cathay Boy May 7, 2015 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by nshizuka25 (Post 24780152)
It is quieter in PEY cabin, and Cabin crew would actually care if someone from Y try to get a PEY seat. In fact I don't think I will fly CX Y again, some passengers are just intolerable...

My numerous experience in PEY is Crew care as much as they bother to check, which they don't. Usually after meal time what they do is put out the tray table as a marker that this seat is open and unoccupied, but when they go back to rest they rare come back up. Then some people in Y would gladly move up and unfold the table and sit. Once a person just came and sat next to me which I politely told him to leave, but people are doing it.

There are even some Y that just went ahead to J if the last few rows were fairly empty, again, the crew doesn't seem to come around and check. Usually the get away with it till second meal time.

dek526 May 7, 2015 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by sscywong (Post 24781202)
Irrelevant... Even as DM when I request seat blocking they block the seat by putting someone there (so it's blocked from letting me to have extra space...)

Anyway as many said I gave up on requesting seat blocking for quite some time already...

right....so you and i both have failed but i'm curious to how wrldtrav2013 has been able to do so :confused: or is it just plain dumb luck??

CX828 May 8, 2015 12:37 am

I think "blocking" is a discretional thing. It has never been a policy. Blocking is up to the check-in agent/flight control manager. If a flight is super empty, they will gladly let you block. If it is 90% above they are unlikely to block it for you as they need the seat. Sometimes, they can block but it is never guaranteed until aircraft has literally pushed back.

Over the years I have had CX block me a seat in Y on HKG-YYZ, HKG-LHR, and HKG-KUL.

I have found though, that outport staff are far less likely to be able to honour a blocking of a seat. I think this is because flights are still managed from HKG, and so they cannot liaise with a flight control manager as easily and ultimately have less control over the flight. In HKG, if the check-in agent is committed to trying to help me block a seat, they always call a flight controller.


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