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jdtravels Apr 6, 2015 7:37 am

Will CX start flying to Madrid?
 
Was on the CX website (here), and came across a clickable link for Madrid without the (*) that supposedly indicates a codeshare destination.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8692/...4d6d7b44_c.jpg

The contents of the linked page for Madrid is blank (but so is the one for Boston)...

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8760/...c8363a95_c.jpg

Recently, they also announced that they were discontinuing service to Moscow

Am I reading too much into this?

AA_EXP09 Apr 6, 2015 8:08 am


Originally Posted by jdtravels (Post 24623524)
Was on the CX website (here), and came across a clickable link for Madrid without the (*) that supposedly indicates a codeshare destination.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8692/...4d6d7b44_c.jpg

The contents of the linked page for Madrid is blank (but so is the one for Boston)...

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8760/...c8363a95_c.jpg

Recently, they also announced that they were discontinuing service to Moscow

Am I reading too much into this?

I somehow doubt it considering the state of the Spanish economy.

maortega15 Apr 6, 2015 8:19 am

Spain is being looked at as a future destination along with Copenhagen. CX seems to make a big bush in Europe now.

Isochronous Apr 6, 2015 9:51 am

Plenty of HK/Chinese/Asians would want to visit Spain, getting traffic from Spain would be less important.

G-CIVC Apr 6, 2015 11:15 pm

But I would think MAD is relatively low-yielding. Its status as a major OW hub and connecting port to south america would help a lot tho. Wasn't the previous rumor on BCN however?

AA_EXP09 Apr 7, 2015 10:43 am


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 24627677)
But I would think MAD is relatively low-yielding. Its status as a major OW hub and connecting port to south america would help a lot tho. Wasn't the previous rumor on BCN however?

AA/CX already have that covered though thanks to easy 1 stop connections at LAX/JFK/DFW (admittedly, not the nest option due to US visa requirements for both HK people and South Americans except Chile to transit the USA.)
For a shorter distance there are always connections via DXB/AUH/DOH/LON/FRA/ZRH (though I suspect that these are not used as often as I mainly saw South American/EU passports on LON-South America flights, and very few South American passports entering HK-I mainly see PRC passports/HK ID/USA/UK/Singapore/Malaysia passports.)

Cathay Boy Apr 7, 2015 8:06 pm


Originally Posted by Isochronous (Post 24624138)
Plenty of HK/Chinese/Asians would want to visit Spain, getting traffic from Spain would be less important.

To sustain a route you can't just send people over, you need to bring people back. Relying on tourism alone will be very risky, especially on down seasons.

Cathay Boy Apr 7, 2015 8:07 pm

Has CX given up on expanding in the USA? Did the mistake at Chicago scare them off (adding one more flight that yielded low loads)? I still think CX should launch a HKG-DFW and HKG-ATL route, they will bring in major load.

maortega15 Apr 7, 2015 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 24632496)
Has CX given up on expanding in the USA? Did the mistake at Chicago scare them off (adding one more flight that yielded low loads)? I still think CX should launch a HKG-DFW and HKG-ATL route, they will bring in major load.

As far as the Americas and Canada are concerned, they're looking at Seattle and Calgary as possible destinations. DFW is already codeshared with AA and I don't think ATL will work.

Kachjc Apr 7, 2015 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 24632686)
As far as the Americas and Canada are concerned, they're looking at Seattle and Calgary as possible destinations. DFW is already codeshared with AA and I don't think ATL will work.

with respect
the DFW codeshare is hardly significant...

CX still prioritises the via LAX route to DFW

and CX is launching Boston

but the poster above is probably right
CX got scared after Chicago...

sad
meanwhile EK with even Less O and D than Hong Kong is launching Orlando

CX as always behind the competition...

I mean Zurich is such a premium heavy destination
and CX is only launching it in 2015?!!!
if Tim Clarke were running CX HKG would be very different

DWFI Apr 7, 2015 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 24632496)
Has CX given up on expanding in the USA? Did the mistake at Chicago scare them off (adding one more flight that yielded low loads)? I still think CX should launch a HKG-DFW and HKG-ATL route, they will bring in major load.

HKG-DFW to compete with AA would be suicidal for both carriers IMO. AA is already losing money on that route.
And if Delta hasn't even attempted ATL HKG, you can bet that it would hemorrhage money. Delta is in a much better position to operate that route than CX.

Mexico City, Seattle, Calgary, Montreal, Washington DC, and Miami (with a stop) should be all candidates to receive some kind of service.

In Europe, the mentioned Madrid/Barcelona and Copenhagen are both logical choices. I'm not sure where else they can go. Istanbul? Munich? Vienna? ( :p )

hkflyer2014 Apr 8, 2015 1:29 am

Well, EK loses a lot of money whereas CX is profitable. Clarke is in the enviable position of being able to add destinations with the main concern to increase top line as opposed to increase bottom line. (It helps when you have sovereign money behind you.)

I think CX would do well with a Mexico City flight. I know a lot of people in China flying there and forced to transit Tokyo since can't transit LA without a US Transit Visa which is just as difficult to obtain as a standard visa for mainlanders.

LchChester Apr 8, 2015 1:49 am


Originally Posted by hkflyer2014 (Post 24633479)
Well, EK loses a lot of money whereas CX is profitable. Clarke is in the enviable position of being able to add destinations with the main concern to increase top line as opposed to increase bottom line. (It helps when you have sovereign money behind you.)

I think CX would do well with a Mexico City flight. I know a lot of people in China flying there and forced to transit Tokyo since can't transit LA without a US Transit Visa which is just as difficult to obtain as a standard visa for mainlanders.

CX probably will need a stop at US or Canada to fly to Mexico City.

Arguably, CX can choose to do it via East bound, and stop at MAD, but that doesnt make so much economical sense.

kaka Apr 8, 2015 2:01 am

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Flying TO isnt the problem- flyibg FROM mex is tge problem...

Kachjc Apr 8, 2015 3:30 am


Originally Posted by DWFI (Post 24633083)
HKG-DFW to compete with AA would be suicidal for both carriers IMO. AA is already losing money on that route.
And if Delta hasn't even attempted ATL HKG, you can bet that it would hemorrhage money. Delta is in a much better position to operate that route than CX.

Mexico City, Seattle, Calgary, Montreal, Washington DC, and Miami (with a stop) should be all candidates to receive some kind of service.

In Europe, the mentioned Madrid/Barcelona and Copenhagen are both logical choices. I'm not sure where else they can go. Istanbul? Munich? Vienna? ( :p )

EXCEPT
AA does not have the connectivity CX has at Dallas
or the Cargo network CX has

same with ATL etc...


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