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tboons Jun 24, 2015 1:42 am

Most of the airlines only give 100% for Y and B fare classes. Others usually hovers from 50-75%. Discounted 10-15%.

soonyeap Jun 24, 2015 3:35 am


Originally Posted by Awesom Andy (Post 25018468)
Credit card specific promotions. Doesn't happen all the time, and you need to have the right cards (or know someone with the right cards). Can be anywhere between 350 - 500, depending on the travelling dates and the actual promotion.



It's already very easy to reach - probably too easy. While the 60,000 miles hurdle seems high at first, very few airlines these days would allow earnings of 100% with MLV fares. If this group of pax were in other programs, they would be lumbering at 25-50% earn rate even on their host airlines, and have no hope in reaching OWS.

Not if it is by sectors. MH for example is being very generous on sector earn, 1 for economy, 2 for business, and 3 for first regardless of fare class.

hermanc Jun 24, 2015 9:37 am


Originally Posted by tboons (Post 25018918)
Most of the airlines only give 100% for Y and B fare classes. Others usually hovers from 50-75%. Discounted 10-15%.

Not true. Two quick examples:

http://www.aircanada.com/en/aeroplan...milesChart.pdf
http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/pp...arnMiles_SQMI/

cartman7110 Jun 24, 2015 12:08 pm

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...-revenue-based

Awesom Andy Jun 24, 2015 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by hermanc (Post 25020442)

I guess *A has a slightly different structure, although we're still seeing the 3-tier approach. AC has 50, 100, 125%, while SQ has 10, 50, 100%. Probably not easy to compared directly, but the CX MLVs would fit into the middle tier for both, or may be the M/L would make it into the 100% tier on SQ.

In the OW side of things, for these fares, BA earns at 50%, JAL 50-70%, MH 85-100% (YBH earn 125%), QF earns at some funky zone based rates but less than 100% with the exception of the minimum earn guarantee, and AA is 100% but that will only last until they bed down the merger.

1010101 Jun 24, 2015 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by Awesom Andy (Post 25023315)
I guess *A has a slightly different structure, although we're still seeing the 3-tier approach. AC has 50, 100, 125%, while SQ has 10, 50, 100%. Probably not easy to compared directly, but the CX MLVs would fit into the middle tier for both, or may be the M/L would make it into the 100% tier on SQ.

In the OW side of things, for these fares, BA earns at 50%, JAL 50-70%, MH 85-100% (YBH earn 125%), QF earns at some funky zone based rates but less than 100% with the exception of the minimum earn guarantee, and AA is 100% but that will only last until they bed down the merger.

BA earns status on Tier Points, which are zone based, not miles. Put simply, if you're flying LHR-HKG returns and want to hit OWE:

Discount economy - 38 trips
Semi flex economy - 22 trips
Flex economy - 11 trips
Business - 6 trips
First - 4 trips

On CX that would be:

Discount economy - 40 trips
Flex economy - 11 trips
Business - 9 trips
First - 7 trips

Whatever you think of BA's service, they're pretty much THE most profitable airline and the FFP is one of the best structured.

I don't think there is much wrong with CX's economy earn rates. They need to address two issues:

- Silver gets too many benefits.
- Premium cabins do not provide enough reward.

Too much travel Jun 24, 2015 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by phol (Post 25023506)
Whatever you think of BA's service, they're pretty much THE most profitable airline and the FFP is one of the best structured.

I don't think there is much wrong with CX's economy earn rates. They need to address two issues:

- Silver gets too many benefits.
- Premium cabins do not provide enough reward.

Exactly.

Too much travel Jun 24, 2015 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by Awesom Andy (Post 25018468)
It's already very easy to reach - probably too easy.

There are easier options - BA Sapphire for example. But at least there the benefits are only given to Sapphire and Emerald, not like at CX where every Tom, Dick and Ruby gets lounge access.

From a customer reaction perspective, if CX is taking away lounge access for Silver, they should make it viable from them to get it back by getting to Gold.

Net-net there will still be a reduction in lounge crowding and priority queues

sxc Jun 25, 2015 1:29 am

Diamond is notoriously hard to earn in CX's program compared to other programs. If there is a realignment of earn-to-status ratios, then it means to me that there are likely to be MORE people at higher tiers, not less, hence angering those who are complaining about over crowding.

The number of non-CX people with status is not going to change, since CX has no control over their programs. The only thing that might be affected is the number of Silvers in the lounges as they remove those benefits.

Marco Polo Jun 25, 2015 6:15 am

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...-revenue-based
No more Silver Lining

tleung Jun 25, 2015 9:40 pm

If you read the SCMP article, they interview a DM member who spents US$30k a year.

I fly exclusively in J and spend more than US$40k a year consistently and yet I am only a Gold Member as I only fly 80k miles a year. I would definitely benefit from this revamp. Not sure if I would make DM but at least I know there will be fewer people competing for the same benefits.

1010101 Jun 25, 2015 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by tleung (Post 25028709)
If you read the SCMP article, they interview a DM member who spents US$30k a year.

I fly exclusively in J and spend more than US$40k a year consistently and yet I am only a Gold Member as I only fly 80k miles a year. I would definitely benefit from this revamp. Not sure if I would make DM but at least I know there will be fewer people competing for the same benefits.

A good revamp could get me to move to the MPC. I convinced my other half to change from BA to MPC on account of her travel - she spent around $80k last year and made DM in month 12 by 300 miles. If this change wasn't coming I'd probably tell her to switch back to BA.

AA_EXP09 Jun 25, 2015 9:59 pm


Originally Posted by tleung (Post 25028709)
If you read the SCMP article, they interview a DM member who spents US$30k a year.

I fly exclusively in J and spend more than US$40k a year consistently and yet I am only a Gold Member as I only fly 80k miles a year. I would definitely benefit from this revamp. Not sure if I would make DM but at least I know there will be fewer people competing for the same benefits.

then there are people like me who are more than halfway to requalifying for AA EXP spending <USD1000 on one TATL roundtrip flight booked on AA.
(the rest are BA/CX credited to AA so far, though to be entirely fair, I do have an upcoming TPAC on AA...)

soonyeap Jun 25, 2015 11:06 pm

MPC can revamp whatever they want, ppl can still get OWE through other OW partners and has the same benefits. Furthermore, J and F class passenger already get most of the benefits, what other things u need being a DM or not? To be able to get into the cockpit? Or get applause when you enter the aircraft? One can still get recognition without a status.

gandiabob Jun 25, 2015 11:31 pm


Originally Posted by Too much travel (Post 25018314)
(2) CX - probably alone amongst all OW airlines – grants benefits such as lounge access and priority boarding to lower-level frequent flyers (can you imagine if AA/BA etc granted lounge access for Ruby? Or permitted basic members to use the priority boarding line?)

Yes, but CX is not the size of AA/BA. Not in membership #'s.

http://www.qatarairways.com/Privileg...r+Members.page


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