Removing GR should reduced the line by half, and probably more....

CX should have a set 4-line system

1) F, DM, OWE line
2) J, GO, OWS line
3) PEY, SL line
4) everyone else

Or, do what AA does. Just call people up instead of having people line up first-come first-serve. I think AA does a good job here. Both boarding machines can be use.

1) Call up your F, DM
2) Call up OWE, GO, J
3) Call up OWS, PEY, SL
4) Call up everyone

1. Ya... But I keep thinking how should KA arrange the line...

1b. Still depending on will they allow SL to bring companion / bring how many companion to check-in / board in priority line...

2. No use... People will still keep lining up

So a blogger just posted how he redeemed a First Class ticket via AA from ORD to HKG for his flight last month and met 3 of his readers on the same flight in First Class. There were a total of 4 passengers only. So 4/6 seats sold to AA redemption... Sigh...

Guess it beats flying it empty.

Blogger had an extra order of Caviar too!

Again it's very short-sighted to think AA people are "Extra-revenue" to CX and their own CX FFP are "liability only" when we redeem miles. Instead, CX should realized us FFP are pre-paying for these redemptions because we weren't smart shopping the cheapest price, we pay V fares (not the cheapest by any means) just so we make sure we get 100% miles, or some of us pay R fares, or even I fares, again, despite competitors offering the same or in some cases better products for us to pay extra to stay loyal to CX. The least CX can do is to make sure at least the top two tiers (DM and GO) have priority when redeeming miles for seats. Instead of seeing us as liabilities, we are the real bread and butter for CX, and we've paid plenty of extra-revenue to CX everytime we stay and fly with CX.

Write ! Write to the CEO and tell him that.

CX flyers too also cash in more miles than AA flyers for F class tickets. I am all for CX to go the way of SQ where only MPC members can redeem F class tickets. When KF did that, sure, there were howls of protests (mainly from UA forum) and where people are boycotting SQ etc. But after a few months, those who have loads of Amex reward points started transferring their points over to Krisflyer to redeem Suite class tickets. Krisflyer wins.

So why can't CX do the same? Especially as Cathay Boy states that MPC members pay higher fares to earn miles and cash in more miles to get award tickets.

Yes, shouldn't MPC be looking out for their own instead? Now with the merger of US and AA FFPs, there will be more award redemptions. CX should just make F/J awards harder to get for other partners.

Agreed. I have on multiple occasions paid higher fares, either choose to go completely CX (the HKG-LHR return problem again of BA being almost 10k cheaper in J), or choosing a higher fare in Y/PEY/J...etc. to earn 100% miles. Doubt AA fliers who frequently redeem on CX (in fact, look at the number of travel websites advocating credit card bonus...etc. and AA redemption on CX flights; there are entire articles dedicated to redeeming on CX!) will fork on the cash for the same seats.

People talk of lounge overcrowding, boarding lines, and hard to redeem seats. The last I was on J and in lounges and happened to glance at people's boarding passes, I really did see a lot of AA numbers and OW status.

I was in the mini cabin of 777 and at least the couple sitting next to me (11D/G) were AA redemption (and putting his feet up on the bulkhead at an ungodly height too).

I can't speak for the boarding lines since I always arrive after the whole J/F line has cleared having walked from the lounge when they call boarding within the lounge.

There is no added advantage for MPC members to fly solely on CX as you get the same number of miles if you are to fly BA. You'd save money. You'd save even more money if you're to fly on QR, RJ, UL or MH AND earn more miles too.
Unless CX recognises you for spending money on them, there is no loyalty at this point to keep flying on CX.

Anyway, I just started a thread over at AA about what if CX is to restrict F awards.. and we shall see how that goes..


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...l#post24585180

Yep, the real problem isn't CX members, it's CX's somehow twisted vision that OW elites bring in "Extra cash" and treat CX members benefits as burdens. CX SLs "pre-paid" for lounge fees when they rather fly CX V and L fares, and probably sometimes M fares, to earn 100% miles just so they qualify for SL annually. That's an additional $100 to $400 USD they've paid per ticket just because they are loyal to CX. For CX to turn around and say they are a burden, and OW elites, who has contributed far less to CX then CX's own members, gets the red carpet treatment. (I'm realizing I'm painting a broad stroke, and some AA elites for example buy CX H fares or more and bank it in AA FFP).

Definitely someone that pays to fly J, W, or 100%-earned rate Y all these years, and qualify as DM/GO, that's a lot of extra $100-$2000 (depending your cabin of choice) per flight that you've undertaken to tell CX you are loyal to them, and for them to turn around and slap you in the face and say your miles are a burden, and CX will make it tough for you to redeem them, while OWEs get instant reward seats. Ridiculous....

I am feeling more and more like a sucker for sticking only with CX on all my routes. By comparison shopping online I know every trip I've done had I, say fly AA, I would of easily save 15-25% on most cases. Now many AA friends that I have are keep writing to me about their bonus miles, throw-away miles promotions, and dirt-cheap J class tickets.

Really, I stuck with CX is because of awesome soft service on-board, good op-up rates, and what once was easy redemption process. Now, the on-board crew are very amateurish, and bad redemption policy, and now a new "enhance" MPC program that basically telling us we're more of a burden to CX than assets. Fine.

So CX is forcing someone like me to jump to AA, spend all my money there, accumulate points like crazy, and redeem them for F flights with them so CX can earn an "Extra" $8,000 or whatever AA pays them for such redemption. Smart, real smart.......

Which is probably why CX is looking to change the MPC to reward those who spend money on them to entice them back. But that's like saying "I'm going to offer you what you had before" after they have switched.

or expand the number of F seats available, if they can routinely fill these cabins with AA redeemers (which clearly make CX money.)

I think the issue CX FF have is they treat AA redeemers as "revenue ticket" and CX redeemers as "liability", which isn't true. CX FFs have prepaid premium rates for years for the benefit of award tickets. But, corporations are short-sighted, they never realized the people that truly feeds them bread, and only goes after other people's crumbs.

ha, that's spot on my experience flying F with CX.

Every CX F flight I've paid with cash, Asia Miles or op-up. And on most North America flights I've met many friendly AA members who tell me the 67.5k AA miles (!!!!!!) they spent for their F ticket. You end up feeling like a moron for using Asia Miles or cash because of how prevalent AA awards are on CX F. Especially now, when advance F availability for MPC members is crap.

I hope CX understands I don't like the roulette guessing game whether I'll get my F upgrade at the last minute. Which is the situation for MPC because all the advance inventory has gone to partner awards.

The other great irony is cash tickets. It's annoying when you buy a cash ticket in the week or two before departure, but end up in 1D or 2D (or back in the 74K days, 4D). Meanwhile, the seats I prefer in the cabin have been snagged by AA award members who inevitably booked 6-12 months in advance. The system has ironically evolved to discriminate against passengers who, on average, spend significantly more on CX whether via cash tickets or AM. I really feel strongly that CX should hold back the better seats in the F cabin - aka, the window seats - for MPC members or cash tickets.


Anyway, last month I got a new credit card that gave me a ton of AA points just to sign up. I figure if I can't beat 'em, join 'em. Still it's a lame situation for MPC miles regardless.

If you can't beat them, join them. If only there's a HKD card that earns AAdvantage I'll run havoc.

Just remember that AA members when buying cash tickets need to book the premium cabins or H class fares to earn anything on CX. Or TransPac use the AA codeshares. They will be a lot more expensive that V class. If you are talking about the subset of AA members who never actually pay $$ for TransPac tickets, you have an argument. But then, I think that there are a number of HKG banks that pass on AsiaMiles points.

Having planned on moving from re-qualification at MPC SL to qualifying for MPC-Gold, most of the flights in this interval would have earned less (or nothing) on AA. And remember that an AA member has no way to upgrade from R class (which isn't all that much extra over E transPac exAmerica) to business. And a whole lot less than even D or I class.


Happy wandering

Fred