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Kachjc Aug 10, 2013 2:42 am

Australia expansion
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1226693749294

the negotiation will eventually go through

where do you think CX will add flights?

will they launch Darwin?

Mr. Strong Aug 10, 2013 4:16 am

Perhaps CX will increase frequencies for existing pax and cargo flights.

Possible new frequency:
Additional flight to MEL
Additional flight to BNE

Possible new destinations:
Hobart
Gold Coast
Darwin

If negotiations fall through then CX better fast track discussions for a tie up with Virgin Australia; return the favor to Qantas given Qantas launching Jetstar Hong Kong.


Himeno Aug 10, 2013 6:15 am

Australian airlines can access 45 frequencies per week between SYD/MEL/BNE/PER and HKG (not counting what QF is already using) and unlimited from other Australian ports.

I see no reason why the Australian government should allow additional ex-Hong Kong frequencies while there are 45 available ex-Australia frequencies.


If negotiations fall through then CX better fast track discussions for a tie up with Virgin Australia.
Why? VA doesn't have enough aircraft to operate to HKG, unless they want to pull their new A330s off domestic routes or drop their 777 frequencies to LAX or AUH. A CX-VA tie up doesn't give CX what it wants, more frequencies into Australia.

Kachjc Aug 10, 2013 6:34 am

I am sure Australian airlines are not using up frequencies to almost all Asian cities they fly too, yet they keep getting new slots SQ , CHINA is the big one where Chinese airlines just keep asking for more slots and get it in spite of QF barely flying there

just because QF and VA cannot compete with CX why should CX not be allowed to expand, it benefits Australians anyway with more competition to Asia and Europe

Himeno Aug 10, 2013 6:41 am


Originally Posted by Kachjc (Post 21247572)
I am sure Australian airlines are not using up frequencies to almost all Asian cities they fly too, yet they keep getting new slots SQ , CHINA is the big one where Chinese airlines just keep asking for more slots and get it in spite of QF barely flying there

There is a difference between getting to use a slot which is available for use and having to get a new agreement because all the existing possible slots are in use.
SQ repeatedly asks for AU-US slots and doesn't get them.

Kachjc Aug 11, 2013 3:09 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 21247597)
There is a difference between getting to use a slot which is available for use and having to get a new agreement because all the existing possible slots are in use.
SQ repeatedly asks for AU-US slots and doesn't get them.

yes but SQ has always managed to get their government to successfully negotiate more slots in their agreements!!1 ( inspite of QF not using most of its slots to SIN)- in the same way HK should be able to do so (If the agreements were dependent on how many slots aussie airlines were using then most foreign carriers would be banned from Australia considering QF's limited network!!!!)


are you seriously equating 5th freedom flight agreements with what CX wants?!!!!

AU-US for SQ is a totally different matter (considering the fact that the Singaporean govt does not rule either of those countries!!!!)

yohy?! Aug 11, 2013 7:19 pm

CX should up-gauge to larger aircraft once the cap is lifted - would be nice to F on AUS sectors. . . .

hamallu Aug 11, 2013 8:11 pm

Quite an interesting statement from CX considering airlines operating in Australia are all suffering from pricing pressure due to the falling Dollar.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...lines-with-it/

http://www.routes-news.com/news/1-ne...s-into-the-red

wunderk Aug 12, 2013 8:33 am

I'm surprised CX is that keen for a new bilateral. IMHO, a new agreement probably will lead to frequencies for Hong Kong Airlines to enter the Australia market.

derek2010 Aug 12, 2013 10:11 am

maybe CX can try to negotiate for the rights to carry domestic passengers on ADL-MEL and CNS-BNE.
Also, CX can convert CX137/6, CX157/6 to daily. Also, CX can try to launch OOL flights with KA A330 (new J/Y seats)
Also, CX can also offer F class (using 77H) to one of their existing SYD / MEL flights, probably CX111 for SYD and CX135 for MEL.


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